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Namaste!TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-66227158574868917132010-01-18T18:53:00.003-05:002010-01-18T18:57:35.194-05:00BBV 2010: Massachusetts - Watch for Pre-Emptive Maneuver Thru "Calling the Race"SHINING A BRIGHT LIGHT ON AN UNDEMOCRATIC TACTIC<br /><br />For 10 years, I've been watching a trend to manipulate elections through premature "call" of the race by a media outlet. See below for predictions on what may follow a media call for either candidate in Massachusetts.<br /><br />The media "call" can be manipulated because the public doesn't know that projected winners come from a system that is not even a governmental source! In fact, the media "calls" elections based on data from just one media outlet -- usually a quiet little division of the Associated Press that occupies a little corner somewhere and answers very few questions. Volunteers call in result reports to the corporation. The reports are often inaccurate (see below for examples). The names of these volunteers are not part of the public record. We will never get the list of names for those who will call in the 351 numbers which will result in "calling the election" for Tuesday's Massachusetts election.<br /><br />HOW THE MEDIA "CALL" MAY ULTIMATELY CONTROL POLICY<br /><br />If Tuesday's Massachusetts special senate election is "called" for Democrat Martha Coakley, expect to see a rush to install her, copying a Republican tactic in 2006 whereby San Diego's Brian Bilbray was seated by the US House of Representatives before tens of thousands of votes were even counted. Yes, the Senate can override the actual election results, or pre-empt the real results, and pre-emptively install a candidate based on a media prediction, or a bunch of unofficial tallies, or whatever they want. It can be done. It has been done. And if the media calls the race for Coakley, expect to see it done again.<br /><br />If the race is "called" for Republican Scott Brown, expect to see a rush from Republican lawyers to claim that Brown has the right to vote immediately, instead of Paul Kirk who is current interim successor to Ted Kennedy. If that fails, look for an attempt to force abstention on the Massachusetts vote while stall tactics play out.<br /><br />Sixty votes are needed. If Coakley is called and installed, they've got the 60. If Brown is called and stalled, they've got 59. Either way, the media "call" on Massachusetts is going to be under exceptional political pressure.<br /><br />No matter where you stand on the controversial healthcare bill, be aware that what you see reported on Election Night is not only not "official" or "final", but is not even real, and may not even be the numbers written down by poll workers or printed out by the voting machine.<br /><br />ISSUING FALSE NUMBERS TO THE MEDIA TO CREATE A FALSE "CALL"<br /><br />In the recent controversial NY-23 race, volunteers in multiple wards called in zeroes instead of votes for Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman. There WERE votes, but they called in zero and later said oops. This was not a plausible oops, because the zeroes were not called in randomly for various races, nor did the zeroes spread themselves among different candidates. Doug Hoffman had false zeroes reported while votes were called in for the others. Incorrect figures provided to the media resulted in a margin which appeared thousands of votes larger than it actually was, goading Hoffman to concede prematurely.<br /><br />In the Florida 2000 presidential election, impossible numbers were provided to the media producing exactly the margin needed to "call" the race for George W. Bush. Minus 16,000 votes were reported for Al Gore, and (not knowing the margin was false), Gore conceded privately to Bush and nearly conceded to the nation.<br /><br />In New York City's 2008 presidential primary, more than 50 wards falsely reported "zero" votes for Obama (but not for Hillary), creating a superficially low result on Election Night.<br /><br />In Maine's 2009 election, the media reported called-in results for Lewiston and Augusta, two of Maine's largest cities, for seven ballot questions each with two possible choices (7x2=14 results per city), a total of 28 vote results for the two cities. Not a single one of the 28 results was correct, and eight were off by large margins.<br /><br />In New England, even preliminary governmental results from each municipality are not compiled for a day or so. Results are typically sent by courier or brought by the police to the secretary of state. The results you see on the news are therefore not government results at all, but results generated by unnamed volunteers (or sometimes paid part timers) working for a corporation.<br /><br />The media "call game" is a political game that can be played dirty, and in Massachusetts, the media "call" could ultimately control national healthcare policy.<br /><br />Usually, these premature calls can be unraveled if they are incorrect because elections aren't certified for several days and winning candidates aren't installed into office for a month or more. But in Massachusetts, because of the special situation with an imminent vote on a controversial bill combined with a temporary senator, the media call can create an undemocratic mess.<br /><br />JOURNALISTIC MALPRACTICE<br /><br />When the media calls an election based on non-governmental verbal information from unnamed volunteers, it displaces legitimate election procedures. Media volunteers can -- and HAVE -- issued false numbers in order to get the media to call an election for a candidate. The US Congress can -- and HAS -- installed new voting members of congress before the votes are counted or the contest is determined.<br /><br />If a media outlet calls the Massachusetts race based on verbal reports from names that are never disclosed, we need to call this what it is: Journalistic malpractice, and a danger to democracy.<br /><br />If what you see Tuesday night ain't right, be prepared to speak up. Or shout loudly. It's our duty.<br /><br />"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams (1722-1803)<br /><br />* * * * *<br /><br />Black Box Voting<br />Support our 2010 work!<br /><a href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.blackboxvoting.org/<wbr>donate.html</a><br />or mail<br />330 SW 43rd St Suite K<br />PMB 547<br />Renton WA 98057<br />This message was sent by: Black Box Voting, Inc., 330 SW 43rd St Suite K - PMB 547, Renton, WA 98057<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-18989817068217951932009-10-03T23:03:00.018-05:002009-10-07T07:08:51.217-05:00Richard Gage on The Architecture of Destructionat First Churches in Northampton, MA - 10/10/09<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgczCugA5trNSxVc7_eCYA1_v2UM78zBWXkW7lB0Ix1Hg-3fUUsi4XsspIi_wEFm9R6OmjBq1ATm0LKwKTAnielCss2Gb19kgy84z-H1tALdihCfB9JYusGmndXEPZgM9uXHLRtYle-9q8/s1600-h/richard-gage.jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; WIDTH: 152px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 200px; CURSOR: pointer" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5388628872319608786" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgczCugA5trNSxVc7_eCYA1_v2UM78zBWXkW7lB0Ix1Hg-3fUUsi4XsspIi_wEFm9R6OmjBq1ATm0LKwKTAnielCss2Gb19kgy84z-H1tALdihCfB9JYusGmndXEPZgM9uXHLRtYle-9q8/s200/richard-gage.jpg" /></a><span style="font-size:85%;"><span style="font-family:arial;">Professional architect Richard Gage, AIA, founder of <a href="http://ae911truth.org/">Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth</a>, will be appearing in the Sanctuary of First Churches in Northampton, MA on Saturday, October 10th at 7pm to deliver his provocative multimedia presentation about the laws of physics and how they relate to architectural standards and observable phenomena on 9/11/01. There will be a question and answer session following the presentation. In addition to the general public, professionals in the architectural, construction and engineering trades are strongly encouraged to attend.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">Mr. Gage's presentation systematically explores the physical and videographic evidence that has led him to conclude, based on his training as an architect and experience designing high-rise steel-framed office buildings and other large commercial structures, that only a systematic demolition program involving preplanted explosives of some kind could have produced the free-fall collapse speeds, pools of molten metal that persisted for many weeks, and the complete disintegration of the buildings into rapidly-expanding superheated clouds of sub-micron dust.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">The events of 9/11/01 have been used as the rationale for the so-called Global War on Terror and two invasions/occupations of foreign countries, as well as widespread curtailment of U.S. civil liberties and a program of officially-sanctioned torture. The actual evidence, however, if one dares to look, suggests that the official story of the building "collapses" is completely false and argues for a new, independent investigation of the crimes of that day.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">Many people do not even realize that a third skyscraper (<a href="http://wtc7.net/">WTC 7</a>), which was forty-seven stories tall (half the size of the twin towers but the largest building in 38 U.S. states), collapsed on that fateful day.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">WTC 7, which was not hit by an airplane or even by much debris from the twin towers, provides some of the clearest evidence that other forces (i.e. some form of explosives and controlled demolition techniques) were involved in the skyscrapers’ destruction. As Gage was quoted in the New York Times (August 22, 2008): “Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns. There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">The event is presented free of charge. A basket will be passed during the program to help defray expenses.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">More information about Richard Gage and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth can be found at <a href="http://www.ae911truth.org/">http://www.ae911truth.org/</a>.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">This event is produced by the Valley 9/11 Truth Coalition</span><br /><span style="font-family:arial;">in association with <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a> of Holyoke, MA.</span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/911"><span style="font-family:arial;">Click here for a full size poster.</span></a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/911-TRUTH.mp3">Click here to listen to the radio ad</a><br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/DaveInterviewOnRadio10-5-09.mp3"><br />Click here to listen to David's interview Monday on Valley Free Radio</a><br /><span style="font-family:arial;"></span><br /></span><div style="Z-INDEX: 99999; 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TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-68876576217806337752008-09-10T01:57:00.010-05:002008-09-10T04:18:10.147-05:00"Unfair Attacks" - A Subject Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin (R-AK) Knows Quite Well<span style="font-weight: bold;">"Unfair Attacks" - An imagined animation starring Sarah Palin</span><br /><br />Watching the news lately, I've heard a recurring theme amongst the complaining Republican flack machine. The key phrase is: "Unfair Attacks", as in, "the Democrats have been making unfair attacks against Sarah Palin because they're (pick one) sexist, elitist, anti-family, anti-small-town-America, or just plain mean.<br /><br />That got me thinking about an effective rebuttal, and I think I've come up with one. Maybe somebody who works for a big animation studio or has lots of talent and time on their hands will volunteer to make it or someone will pay my company to create it, I don't care. I just had this visualization so I figured I'd share. If anyone else wants to make it, I merely request a "inspiration credit" for TotallyFixed.com, otherwise it's free to use. Here goes...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Opening Scene: </span>Series of clips of Republican operatives declaring Palin the victim of "Unfair Attacks".<br /><br />Fade to Black<br /><br />Voiceover with type: It seems like Sarah Palin and her supporters are complaining about her being the victim of "unfair attacks". Well I guess they should know, because rumor has it that Sarah herself is an EXPERT in Unfair Attacks. Let's watch...<br /><br />Fade to Scene of Final-Fantasy-style animation of a cammo'ed-up Sarah Palin with a fully automatic AR-15 slung over her shoulder about to board a helicopter with slowly-whirling blades bearing the insignia "Alaskan Aerial Hunts"<br /><br />The 'copter takes off, and heads out over the rugged, pristine wilderness of summertime Alaska, the camera panning back and forth across the woods, lakes and mountains that typify the Alaskan landscape.<br /><br />After a minute or so, Palin, holding binoculars in one hand while clinging to the Huey-style open side door of the 'copter, points down and says to the pilot, "Down there!"<br /><br />Camera pans down to the ground where off in the distance you see a mother Polar Bear ambling along with three cubs (very cute) following her.<br /><br />The camera zooms in to see the bears sniffing along, looking for food, with the cubs playfully jostling with each other from time to time before hurrying after their mother.<br /><br />Camera pans back to the helicopter, which grows ominously closer.<br /><br />Cut to scene of bears noticing helicopter and, looking startled and scared, starting to flee.<br /><br />Cut back to Palin, with evil grin on her face, settling into shooting position and pointing the rifle at the bears.<br /><br />"Closer!", she cries out to the pilot and then looks down her sights to her intended quarry.<br /><br />Pan out to where you can see both the helicopter, with Palin pointing the gun towards the ground, and the bears, now in full flight, running through the woods.<br /><br />Ack ack ack ack, goes the gun, firing towards the bears, kicking up dust around them as they flee in terror.<br /><br />Ack ack ack ack - Ack ack ack ack - again and again she rakes the ground with fully automatic weapons fire.<br /><br />Finally she scores a direct hit and the mother bear, hit in three places along a line, runs a few more feet and then tumbles over, bleeding profusely from three visible wounds.<br /><br />Cut back to Palin looking very happy. "Got it!", she cries with a fist pump. Turning towards the pilot she says, "Find somewhere to land, there's a nice trophy down there".<br /><br />Cut back to the dying bear, now surrounded by her three devastated and confused cubs, pawing mommy to try to revive her. A shadow grows over them, which turns into the helicopter landing right next to the body.<br /><br />They flee into some nearby bushes and you then see the cubs turn, hiding, to watch the unfolding scene.<br /><br />Sarah dismounts from the helicopter with a chainsaw case and a large burlap bag in her hands. Setting the bag and case on the ground, she opens the case, removes the chainsaw, fires it up, and then walks over to the now-dead Polar Bear mommy.<br /><br />"This is gonna look nice on my <a href="http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/512321.html">parent's wall</a>", she says and then proceeds to cut off the head of the bear, blood gushing everywhere, and spattering all over her.<br /><br />Holding it aloft, she says (with a glint in her eye), "I can't understand all those Liberals who want to eliminate aerial hunting. This stuff is FUN!"<br /><br />Putting the head into her burlap bag, she looks disdainfully down at the beheaded carcass and then at her blood spattered self and says. "Gee, guess I gotta go get cleaned up before that press conference. Let's go Charlie."<br /><br />She climbs back into the helicopter and it takes off and flies off into the distance. The cubs return and gather around their dead mother, sobbing mournfully. At the clearing's edge, wolves gather, eying the now unprotected cubs. Vultures circle the skies overhead.<br /><br />Fade to Black<br /><br />Cut to scene of a cleaned up Palin addressing the assembled media. She says, "The first thing I want to say is that I've been subjected this week to all kinds of Unfair Attacks..."<br /><br />Fade to Black.<br /><br />Cut back to sobbing cubs, huddled together for warmth and protection in the shadow of their dead mother as the day's light is fading. Hungry eyes gleaming in the darkened edges of the clearing.<br /><br />Voiceover: "Unfair Attacks", now that's something Governor Sarah Palin really DOES have experience with...<br /><br />Fade to Black.<br /><br />.<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-82486635333168798302008-09-03T03:10:00.003-05:002008-09-03T03:33:14.166-05:00Saved from the Memory Hole - Deleted DailyKos Palin Baby Story<div id="story"><div class="entry"><span style="font-weight: bold;">PLEASE NOTE: THIS STORY IS BEING REPUBLISHED HERE IN ITS ENTIRETY UNDER THE PRINCIPLES OF "FAIR USE" TO SAVE IT FROM DISAPPEARING PERMANENTLY DOWN THE "MEMORY HOLE" OF GEORGE ORWELL FAME.</span><br /><br />Just because the Palin family now <span style="font-style: italic;">says</span> that their daughter is five months pregnant and therefore couldn't possibly be baby Trig's mom, doesn't mean that the claim is actually true.<br /><br />DailyKos continues their disappointing habit of suppressing "dangerous" thought (like 9/11 Truth, for instance) by immediately kow-towing to the pressure and making the story simply vanish. Thank the Goddess for Google Cache. There is at least one other article about this topic that was published first on DailyKos that DIDN'T get Cached. If anyone has a link to a copy, please leave it in the comments.<br /><br />This is an important story because it means that one of two things HAS to be true.<br /><br />Either:<br /><br />A) Sarah Palin is NOT baby Trig's mom, and has engaged in public self-serving lying about said motherhood in a way to enhance her standing in the radical pro-life political community.<br /><br />- OR -<br /><br />B) Sarah Palin IS baby Trig's mom, and she behaved in wantonly reckless behavior with regards to her unborn child (and the safety and well being of airline crews and passengers) by her actions traveling in the 72 hours leading up to his birth, thus calling into serious question both her intrinsic judgement and character AND her alleged beliefs about the "sanctity of the unborn".<br /><br />She and McCain can't have it both ways. ONE of the above scenarios is true. Has to be. No crazy conspiracy theory here.<br /><br />Which is it? I'd really like to know, particularly since the issues around pregnancy and contraception hold such a central place in the Sarah Palin mystique.<br /><br />But anyway, here's one of the articles that got it all started, with full links and comments. I'm just trying to save it for posterity. Our republic depends on such vigilance, no?<br /><br />--------------------------------------------<br /><h2><span class="diaryTitle">BabyGate: Explosive New Details [Photos+Video]</span> </h2><h3 class="byline">by <a set="yes" linkindex="6" href="http://arcxix.dailykos.com/">ArcXIX</a> </h3><h4 class="date">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:39:54 PM PDT</h4><div class="intro"><p><a linkindex="7" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223">Yesterday</a>, the nation at large was introduced to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> Palin's fraudulent claims of maternity by numerous photographs, video, and a timeline that made even those accepting of the 'official' story turn their heads in confusion.</p> <p>The revelation that had been whispered among the Alaskan legislature was explosive. <strong><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> is not the mother of Trig <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>. Her daughter is the mother.</strong> Scarce if any refutations to the contrary have come forward, and now damning incidents and evidence has come to light.</p> <p>Mothers of the world have reeled back in disgust and horror at Sarah's dangerous and possibly fatal story of flying 4000 miles even as she was supposedly in the process of entering labor a month early. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> needs to honestly answer for her lies, promptly.</p> </div><!-- polls come after this --> <ul class="catcom"><li><a linkindex="8" href="http://arcxix.dailykos.com/">ArcXIX's diary</a> :: :: </li><li><br /></li></ul></div><div id="extended"><p>As evidenced in the <a linkindex="9" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223">original diary</a>, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> has been photographed during her surprise '<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>' as trim, fit, and altogether non-pregnant. Once again presenting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> at <a linkindex="10" href="http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/09/01/307-3504041.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpg">seven months 'pregnant'</a>:</p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9515/3073504041standaloneprovb5.jpg" /></p> <p>And now newly juxtaposed to <a linkindex="11" href="http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Gov-Sarah-Palin-Wasilla2C-Alaska-Republican-presidential-candidate-Alaska-Gov-Sarah-Palin-vice-presidential-running-mate/ss/events/pl/082908govsarahpalin/s:/politico/13001/im:/080831/480/529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d/print"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> pregnant with her son, Track <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>, in 1989 (right)</a>:</p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5232/capt529a19dfc6774f30811bx4.jpg" /></p> <p>The disparity is shocking. Any mother of more than one child will tell you that a female body does not become fitter with each <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>, but instead the exact opposite, gaining more and more weight quickly with each successive <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> (in Sarah's case, four). <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> is a perfectly healthy woman, but is far from a petite size, and would not be able to hide a second trimester <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> from anyone with a set of eyeballs.</p> <p><a linkindex="12" href="http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2008/08/video-sarah-palin-at-7-months">bloggerinterrupted</a> has culled together news videos from the time of the original announcement (seven months into the surprise '<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>'), which reveals no protruding belly line, and the total shock of fellow Alaskans:</p> <p><object height="344" width="425"><param value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uZHI4aHW0wU&hl=en&fs=1" name="movie"><param value="true" name="allowFullScreen"><embed allowfullscreen="true" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uZHI4aHW0wU&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="344" width="425"></embed></object></p> <p>Of note, the Newsweek conference at the end was entitled "Newsweek: Women & Leadership". <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> would issue the statement on her <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> the next day (she didn't mention <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> once during the presentation), and <a linkindex="13" href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190">Newsweek host Karen Breslau was as surprised as anyone</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>At the time, <strong>I didn't know that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>, clad in a loose, dark dress, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child.</strong> An aide called me the next day to tell me that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> would be announcing the <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> at home in Alaska and that she had wanted me to know as a courtesy. She was sorry she hadn't mentioned it the night before. </p> </blockquote> <p>A convenient reasoning, allowing <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> to deftly avoid questioning of any sort before, during, or after the presentation in Los Angeles. This isn't the first time <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> has fooled someone on video.<br />In <a linkindex="14" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223">yesterday's diary</a>, a video of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> hiking around Juneau, Alaska (and standing in high heels at six months 'pregnant') was presented by <a linkindex="15" href="http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-pregnancy-scandal/">Alaska HDTV</a>. They have since issued a statement:</p> <blockquote> <p>Regarding her <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>, all I can say is that it was <strong>not obvious to the three of us who were there during the filming</strong>. At this time she would be somewhere in her 7th month of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>, which could be hidden with clever clothing, jackets, etc. </p> </blockquote> <p>In addition, these videos also mark stark contrasts to<a linkindex="16" href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1641243975/bclid1632695727/bctid1761990935">another video of Sarah's career as a Sports News Journalist</a>, taped here when she was pregnant with child <a linkindex="17" href="http://www.ktva.com/video?bcpid=1641243975&bclid=1632695727&bctid=1762088285">in 1989</a>. Her facial features are altered, a common effect of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> miraculously avoided during her fifth with Trig.</p> <p>Fast forward to the alleged '<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>' itself, an obstetrician commented at Talking Points Memo that he <a linkindex="18" href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/palins-leaking-amniotic-fluid.php">has serious issues with Palin's decisions</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>She claims she flew from Texas to Anchorage after she was having contractions and leaking amniotic fluid. This simply doesn't make sense.</p> <p>I am a physician and I deliver babies (my last delivery was about 36 hours ago).</p> <p>...</p> <p>There is very <strong>little chance</strong> that a 44 year old woman who was pregnant with her fifth child would last 8 hours with ruptured membranes and contractions. Especially when the baby was approximately 4 weeks early; <strong>She would have delivered this baby on the plane</strong>.</p> <p>...</p> <p>Playing the back seat doctor here, my advice would have been get in the car and go to the nearest hospital with a maternity ward. This is called Premature Preterm Rupture of Membranes (PPROM) and it is <strong>dangerous</strong>.</p> <p>...</p> <p>10:30pm - <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> arrives in Anchorage (approximately <strong>22 hours after membranes ruptured</strong>, you start to get worried at 12 hours).</p> <p>11:30pm - <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> checks into Mat-Su regional in Wasilla, Alaska. (It seems kind of strange that she wouldn't have gone to Providence in Anchorage which has the <strong>highest level maternity care in the state</strong>. You would want a child with genetic defects to be delivered in a bigger place with more services available.)</p> <p>...</p> <p>If she knew her child had this disorder and got on a plane with leaking amniotic fluid, then she shows <strong>incredibly poor judgment</strong>. </p> </blockquote> <p>Mentioned below the statement, is the revelation that after landing in Anchorage, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> drove past both Providence and Anchorage Regional, facilities ideal for premature deliveries, as both are equipped with neonatal intensive care units (NCIU). The doctor who supposedly approved of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> taking such risks, and later delivered Trig? Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who has since been scrubbed from the Mt-Su Regional Medical Center website. <a linkindex="19" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20061104152526/http://www.matsuregional.com/staff/show_speciality.php?speciality=Family/General+Practice">Web Archive naturally shows her at the top of the scrubbed list.</a> Sarah's relationship with Cathy has formed over the years, and in 2002 (then Mayor) <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> named her <a linkindex="20" href="http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-alaska/103983-1.html">Family Physician of the Year</a>. In May 2007, (then Governor) <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> appointed Cathy to the Alaska Health Care Strategies Planning Council, as evidenced by this <a linkindex="21" href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:e0U6tvTkFHwJ:gov.state.ak.us/archive.php%3Fid%3D368%26type%3D1+%22Cathy+Baldwin-Johnson%22+palin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us">scrubbed State Press Release</a>. Special connections for special friends.</p> <p>Mat-Su Regional, the hospital where Trig <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> was delivered, surprisingly does not list <a linkindex="22" href="http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/show_day.php?date=2008-04-18">Trig on their own list of babies born in that facility for that day of April 18th</a>. A peculiar oddity, as hospitals are usually proud when a local celebrity gives birth within their facility.</p> <p>Which brings us back to <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>, the rightful mother of Trig <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>. Over the course of seven months, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> had three separate driving offenses, one to <a linkindex="23" href="http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?88011238">carry insurance</a>, one for <a linkindex="24" href="http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?44738506">speeding</a>, and another one for a <a linkindex="25" href="http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?92870924">collision</a>. As a sixteen year-old driver, incidents such as these happen all the time. This is noteworthy, however, due to her being out of school at the time due to the family excuse of 'having infectious mononucleosis' for a period of five to eight months. <a set="yes" linkindex="26" href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=11951582&blogID=364234540">The police statement reads</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>Wasilla Police Department<br />On February 8, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b>, at 1737 hours, Wasilla Police responded to two vehicle collision at <strong>Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive</strong>. Investigation revealed that <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>, age 17 of Wasilla, was driving a 4-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a 2-door sedan driven by Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasilla. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> was issued a citation for Failing to Use Due Care to Avoid a Collision. Moffet was issued a citation for an expired registration and no proof of insurance. </p> </blockquote> <p>Out of school, and in a fender-bender located in front a Medical Family Center. Not good.</p> <p>Back to contrasts, we see here <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> at Sarah's Governor inauguration:</p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5319/266204444122519lomz5.jpg" /></p> <p>As flat of a stomach as any. And now later during Bristol's <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>:</p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1113/6873504039standaloneprokr3.jpg" /></p> <p><b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> & Trig have been pushed backstage or elsewhere in McCain/<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> appearances already, as evidenced by the Washington, PA campaign stop in which <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> stated Trig was napping while <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> was watching over him. In any regard, they looked wonderful together at the initial <a linkindex="27" href="http://www.daylife.com/topic/Sarah_Palin/photos/all/1"><b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(153, 0, 153);">Vice</b>-Presidential unveiling in Dayton, Ohio on Friday:</a></p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6916/25gg9.jpg" /></p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3582/46nj4.jpg" /></p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2843/47uu8.jpg" /></p> <p><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b>? Not so interested.</p> <p><img alt=" title=" src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9093/53is4.jpg" /></p> <p>Tearing apart a mother from her child in the public's eye for political points is the lowest of the low. <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> deserves the truth from <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b>, delivered to the public, immediately. This charade on the national stage is pathetic, and needs to end promptly.</p> <p><a linkindex="28" href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/BabyGate_Explosive_Details_Photos_Video">Digg It.</a></p> <p><a linkindex="29" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223">Yesterday's Diary</a></p> </div> </div><p id="tags"><span class="tagLabel">Tags:</span> <span id="tagLinks"><a linkindex="30" href="http://www.dailykos.com/tag/Sarah%20Palin"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b></a>, <a linkindex="31" href="http://www.dailykos.com/tag/Vice%20President"><b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(153, 0, 153);">Vice</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">President</b></a>, <a linkindex="32" href="http://www.dailykos.com/tag/2008%20elections"><b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> <b style="color: white; 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<p>...a weekend to be proud of around here.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"You won't be happy with me / but give me one more chance / you won't be happy anyway." - Stephin Merritt</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="105" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60553">turnover</a> on <a linkindex="106" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/1#c1">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:41:35 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c10"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Just when you think we've hit bottom . . . </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="107" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/10?mode=alone;showrate=1#c10">47+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="108" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:46">Matt</a>, <a linkindex="109" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, 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href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154642">ford prefect 2</a>, <a linkindex="147" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156218">Dougie</a>, <a linkindex="148" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157016">HeadnHeart</a>, <a linkindex="149" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159364">Junah</a>, <a linkindex="150" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a>, <a linkindex="151" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="152" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165804">ahyums</a>, <a linkindex="153" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a>, <a linkindex="154" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:171875">The Defenestrator</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>here it comes again.</p> <p>I'm so tired of this. We really need to let go. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"With all the wit of a stunned trout, prodigal stumbled clumsily into the midst of a discussion . . . " -- droogie6655321</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="155" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:72075">prodigal</a> on <a linkindex="156" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/10#c10">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:43:58 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="157" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c82"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">How can you judge one way or the other </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="158" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/82?mode=alone;showrate=1#c82">20+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="159" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15772">RFK Lives</a>, <a linkindex="160" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25329">oslo</a>, <a linkindex="161" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="162" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="163" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="164" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:47384">jfdunphy</a>, <a linkindex="165" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="166" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="167" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="168" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="169" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:96107">some other george</a>, <a linkindex="170" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:102938">sldulin</a>, <a linkindex="171" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107631">wuod kwatch</a>, <a linkindex="172" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="173" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:126101">Blogvirgin</a>, <a linkindex="174" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="175" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a>, <a linkindex="176" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:158111">ladygreenslippers</a>, <a linkindex="177" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a>, <a linkindex="178" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>until you know if its true or not?</p> <p>If she is the grandmother and not the mother then this story should be told.</p> <p>It affects the ability to judge her mental health.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"The owners of this country know the truth: its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="179" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:136169">Gregory Wonderwheel</a> on <a linkindex="180" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/82#c82">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:56:56 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="181" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c10">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c92"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">she is also bragging about her decision</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="182" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/92?mode=alone;showrate=1#c92">37+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="183" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4703">CalifSherry</a>, <a linkindex="184" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9742">Shockwave</a>, <a linkindex="185" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15772">RFK Lives</a>, <a linkindex="186" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="187" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22941">peacemom</a>, <a linkindex="188" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23548">Glic</a>, <a linkindex="189" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25329">oslo</a>, <a linkindex="190" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="191" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="192" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:39647">gmhowell</a>, <a linkindex="193" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:40556">motCT</a>, <a linkindex="194" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:41370">cartwrightdale</a>, <a linkindex="195" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50380">phinky</a>, <a linkindex="196" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:62494">gazingoffsouthward</a>, <a linkindex="197" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="198" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="199" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:72162">hideinplainsight</a>, <a linkindex="200" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76640">Andy30tx</a>, <a linkindex="201" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="202" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82001">Dem partisan</a>, <a linkindex="203" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="204" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:89409">Mom to Miss M</a>, <a linkindex="205" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:96107">some other george</a>, <a linkindex="206" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107631">wuod kwatch</a>, <a linkindex="207" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112632">Blackacre</a>, <a linkindex="208" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="209" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a>, <a linkindex="210" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145366">leftneck</a>, <a linkindex="211" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153412">notksanymore</a>, <a linkindex="212" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156153">Former Chicagoan Now Angeleno</a>, <a linkindex="213" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="214" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:158111">ladygreenslippers</a>, <a linkindex="215" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159553">kenjisan</a>, <a linkindex="216" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a>, <a linkindex="217" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a>, <a linkindex="218" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165085">LoveforObama</a>, <a linkindex="219" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173887">Cowabunga</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>to birth a downs baby. SHE is making this part of her campaign.</p> <p>Still, I think we should leave this to others who can actually look at the records, etc. It should be ably to be proven false in about five minutes.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="220" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159030">loper2008</a> on <a linkindex="221" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/92#c92">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:59:01 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="222" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c132"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"> </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="223" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/132?mode=alone;showrate=1#c132">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="224" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4703">CalifSherry</a>, <a linkindex="225" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:27222">ThatsNotFunny</a>, <a linkindex="226" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="227" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="228" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="229" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="230" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82898">christomento</a> on <a linkindex="231" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/132#c132">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:06:40 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="232" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c92">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c153"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">And if it's proven wrong</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="233" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/153?mode=alone;showrate=1#c153">18+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="234" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="235" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4808">Realist2004</a>, <a linkindex="236" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="237" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="238" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18411">housesella</a>, <a linkindex="239" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20136">Nellcote</a>, <a linkindex="240" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="241" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26985">duck</a>, <a linkindex="242" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:29874">EntrWriter</a>, <a linkindex="243" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:47832">blueyedace2</a>, <a linkindex="244" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:74190">noof</a>, <a linkindex="245" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:78837">zhimbo</a>, <a linkindex="246" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="247" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="248" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157016">HeadnHeart</a>, <a linkindex="249" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="250" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:168583">ordinaryperson</a>, <a linkindex="251" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Don't we all look like the bright, shining examples of where we want politics to be?</p> <p>NO.</p> <p>We look like a bunch of petty and pathetic <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">rumor</b> mongers and that is beneath us.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="252" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> on <a linkindex="253" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/153#c153">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:09:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="254" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c92">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c384"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Not a chance in hell</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="255" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/384?mode=alone;showrate=1#c384">13+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="256" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:1115">SlackerInc</a>, <a linkindex="257" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="258" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19026">emmanuel</a>, <a linkindex="259" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="260" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="261" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="262" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="263" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="264" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="265" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:108006">chesterdog</a>, <a linkindex="266" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="267" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a>, <a linkindex="268" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173601">Gusser</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that this is wrong.<br />The whole cover story is insultingly flimsy.</p> <p>Whether we should know, that's another question,<br />IMHO answered in the affirmative since:</p> <p>she CHOSE to expose her family to this scrutiny and<br />she CHOSE to tout her Pro Abstinence, Pro-Life, Mother&Governor Superwoman credentials into the campaign.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="269" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:166551">Bambleweeny57</a> on <a linkindex="270" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/384#c384">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:10:22 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="271" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c153">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c565"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Goopers are worried that it's true</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="272" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/565?mode=alone;showrate=1#c565">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="273" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="274" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="275" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15772">RFK Lives</a> on <a linkindex="276" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/565#c565">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:16:35 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="277" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c384">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c399"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">If this isn't true,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="278" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/399?mode=alone;showrate=1#c399">20+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="279" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15772">RFK Lives</a>, <a linkindex="280" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19026">emmanuel</a>, <a linkindex="281" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20079">litho</a>, <a linkindex="282" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:27478">Yomberto</a>, <a linkindex="283" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="284" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="285" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:62494">gazingoffsouthward</a>, <a linkindex="286" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="287" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="288" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="289" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82001">Dem partisan</a>, <a linkindex="290" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="291" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="292" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a>, <a linkindex="293" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:104600">RIP Russ</a>, <a linkindex="294" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153412">notksanymore</a>, <a linkindex="295" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156153">Former Chicagoan Now Angeleno</a>, <a linkindex="296" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156583">ljfxiki</a>, <a linkindex="297" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="298" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Then she is a nutcase for flying 4000 miles already in labor on an earlier flight. If it is true, she is a nutcase anyway for coming up with a story like that.</p> <p>There is absolutely no f*cking way this things turns out well for her. Keep in mind that I would prefer to take her at face value, and conclude that she is criminally irresponsible for flying to Texas for a damn speech essentially at term, and for flying back whie already in labor.</p> <p>We are all way too agitated about what this means to us. The damage it makes to WcCain is so hugely much greater than anything we can get. Or are we just scared, and hope that if we cower and don't say anything bad about these 2, that they will be nice to us? Come on, you know better.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="299" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a> on <a linkindex="300" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/399#c399">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:14:23 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="301" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c153">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c537"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I agree</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="302" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/537?mode=alone;showrate=1#c537">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="303" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:1115">SlackerInc</a>, <a linkindex="304" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="305" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="306" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82001">Dem partisan</a>, <a linkindex="307" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="308" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="309" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a>, <a linkindex="310" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156153">Former Chicagoan Now Angeleno</a>, <a linkindex="311" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161067">debrazza</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>There is no way that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> comes out with good judgment from this situation. Either she is criminally irresponsible or a liar.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="312" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a> on <a linkindex="313" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/537#c537">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:54:03 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="314" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c399">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c575"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I think we've defused a bomb.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="315" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/575?mode=alone;showrate=1#c575">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="316" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82827">Land of Lincoln Dem</a>, <a linkindex="317" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a>, <a linkindex="318" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I don't think so. Assuming all this is true, I can see McCain/<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> (or certainly Rove) banking on the following scenario:</p> <ol><li value="1"> Questions arise (naturally or not) about her late-night cross-country flight of labor to the least qualified hospital for delivery.</li></ol> <ol><li value="2"> She defends them straight, until they either start showing as a negative on their polls or the election is ~5 days away (perfect range for an emotional pull on the vote).</li></ol> <ol><li value="3"> Once in range, she holds a press conference to announce that she has lied to us all, but it was to save her daughter the embarrassment of being a teenage mother and to give Trig the care that only she could provide.</li></ol> <p>I'd bet McCain/<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> would get a 2-3 point boost on the release. People generally sympathize with mothers in her situation, especially those with pre-teen and teenage kids of their own. Hell, <em>I</em> would sympathize with her!</p> <p>So, our mission: make them make that admission sooner, not later. Give the "she lied to save her daughter" meme time to dissipate before the election. Give ourselves time to couch it in the worst possible light.</p> <p>Or, make them prove us wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong here.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="319" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9961">JetTredmont</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="320" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/575#c575">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:24:48 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="321" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c537">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c639"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Next question would be: who's the father?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="322" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/639?mode=alone;showrate=1#c639">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="323" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Why go to such lengths, in this day and age, to cover it up?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="324" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="325" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/639#c639">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:18:47 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="326" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c575">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c653"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Simple</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="327" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/653?mode=alone;showrate=1#c653">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="328" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Because it's not "this day of age" in the households of fundamentalist politicians.</p> <p>Not to say I have any desire to touch this story, but the motive seems clear...</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"While there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free!" -Eugene V. Debs</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="329" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145366">leftneck</a> on <a linkindex="330" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/653#c653">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:57:36 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="331" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c639">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c652"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The people likely to vote for her would not feel</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="332" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/652?mode=alone;showrate=1#c652">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="333" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>any sympathy for her. They would be apathatic towards voting for her and that's not what they want representing them. A liar who can't control her daughter yt wants to try and control other people's children. They are the least sympathetic of people. The rest of the world would be like I told you nitwits so.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="334" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="335" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/652#c652">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:53:42 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="336" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c575">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c539"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">All you cowering Nancy Pelosis</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="337" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/539?mode=alone;showrate=1#c539">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="338" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <blockquote> <p>Or are we just scared, and hope that if we cower and don't say anything bad about these 2, that they will be nice to us? </p> </blockquote> <p>You scorners here can't stand it when Pelosi won't impeach, yet you won't either. Impeachment says there's cause for a trial with evidence to be presented AND weighed AND investigated. It doesn't say it's proved, it says ask the question in public, openly, transparently, and see any evidence. Consider it. Weigh it. And then decide your vote. This diarist is presenting evidence that you say you are disgusted to look at and ashamed of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(160, 255, 255);">Kos</b> for presenting (and are first in line to say so). And we are all to vote blind.</p> <p>Color me disgusted.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="339" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="340" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/539#c539">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:55:13 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="341" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c399">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c561"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">to scorn = to oppose impeachment?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="342" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/561?mode=alone;showrate=1#c561">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="343" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a>, <a linkindex="344" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that's a new one.</p> <p>but what's even funnier is that you seem to be saying that we need to put our money where our mouth is.</p> <p>you do see the irony, don't you?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p> </p><p> _______________</p><p> <em>it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran." </em> </p><p> <b>-9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)</b></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="345" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18701">dadanation</a> on <a linkindex="346" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/561#c561">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:11:37 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="347" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c539">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c640"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Troll is just trying to change the topic.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="348" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/640?mode=alone;showrate=1#c640">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="349" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18701">dadanation</a>, <a linkindex="350" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I wouldn't follow it there if I were you.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="351" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:94952">power2truth</a> on <a linkindex="352" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/640#c640">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:21:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="353" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c561">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c511"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Now Drudge is linking to the 1st Diary</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="354" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/511?mode=alone;showrate=1#c511">10+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="355" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="356" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15510">DigDug</a>, <a linkindex="357" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18701">dadanation</a>, <a linkindex="358" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20677">anotherCt Dem</a>, <a linkindex="359" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26295">BruinKid</a>, <a linkindex="360" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="361" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110172">Ghost of Robert Kennedy</a>, <a linkindex="362" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="363" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:121041">CC Music Factory</a>, <a linkindex="364" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Jesus Christ.</p> <p>You're absolutely right, BoiseBlue. This is beyond pathetic.</p> <p><img src="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/317/drudgepalinbabytx5.jpg" /></p> <p>I think that might be the first time Drudge has linked directly to a <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Daily</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(160, 255, 255);">Kos</b> diary, at least that I've ever seen. </p> <p>Good job, diarist! You've now shown Drudge's entire readership, and that ain't no small number, that DailyKos = tabloid trash and smear jobs.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="365" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="366" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="367" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="368" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/511#c511">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:32:38 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="369" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c153">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c630"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Exactly. This is a right-wing trick.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="370" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/630?mode=alone;showrate=1#c630">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="371" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:121041">CC Music Factory</a>, <a linkindex="372" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Think about it:</p> <p>IF if were true, it would not hurt her. She is a loving mother.</p> <p>Of course, it is not true--a woman under the public scrutiny she was under fake a <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>? Give me a break.</p> <p>And the fact that Drudge linked to it: BINGO!</p> <p>We are being played.</p> <p><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(160, 255, 255);">KOS</b> needs to do a little tracing on the auther. I think we will find a Republican operative behind this.</p> <p>One real dairy, and this trash twice. So a second-time diarist has all these photos and embeds? Quick learner.</p> <p>Wake up and smell the Rove.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="373" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a> on <a linkindex="374" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/630#c630">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:03:12 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="375" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c511">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c689"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The author of that diary is an unknown</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="376" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/689?mode=alone;showrate=1#c689">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="377" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>You're right on point.</p> <p>Check their history.... nothing to give them credibility. Yet people are going with it.</p> <p>Stupid as hell.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="378" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="379" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="380" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="381" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/689#c689">Mon Sep 01, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 02:54:24 AM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="382" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c630">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c650"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">You won't look like anything.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="383" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/650?mode=alone;showrate=1#c650">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>The internet bloggers have been the only source of real truth in politics and is respected because of that fact. Drudge, Smoking Gun and now they don't even name the sites due to the fact that the information moves like wildfire and is passed like a baton from place to place. If this is not true it will die. If it is it will be revealed like Edwards. We only have 2 months before this can potentially blow up in this country's face threatening the sanctity of the Office of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">President</b>. It should be snuffed out now.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="384" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> on <a linkindex="385" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/650#c650">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:49:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="386" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c153">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c93"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">What?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="387" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/93?mode=alone;showrate=1#c93">19+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="388" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="389" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4808">Realist2004</a>, <a linkindex="390" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:5098">AaronInSanDiego</a>, <a linkindex="391" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:12548">Caj</a>, <a linkindex="392" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="393" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18411">housesella</a>, <a linkindex="394" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18701">dadanation</a>, <a linkindex="395" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26985">duck</a>, <a linkindex="396" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:47832">blueyedace2</a>, <a linkindex="397" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61119">LithiumCola</a>, <a linkindex="398" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a>, <a linkindex="399" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="400" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="401" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="402" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="403" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a>, <a linkindex="404" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145359">Libertaria</a>, <a linkindex="405" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="406" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>What the hell does this have to do with mental health? How can you make that stretch? Seriously?</p> <p>What fucking site am I on today?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="407" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> on <a linkindex="408" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/93#c93">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 04:59:15 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="409" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c592"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Are you crazy?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="410" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/592?mode=alone;showrate=1#c592">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="411" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="412" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a>, <a linkindex="413" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156153">Former Chicagoan Now Angeleno</a>, <a linkindex="414" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>How many mothers, faced with a teenage daughter's inconvenient <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>, formulate or participate in a coverup that is apparently supposed to go on forever? How many mothers condemn their daughters and their babies that way? Because that's protection for a fleeting moment at best, condemnation for a lifetime at worst. A shame too horrible to ever confess or escape. A baby removed. And a bit unusual, wouldn't you say? It shocks my conscience. Is this about the mother's ambition, the family's religion, what, what, what's more important and better than the truth? Now everyone has questions. But, again, we are all to become complicit codependents and not ask, not know, just accept the cloud always hanging there but never say we see it.</p> <p>And what if it's not true? The photo evidence looks pretty convincing, and a lot of people are talking and making their best guesses, but there's room for doubt. Again, we shouldn't find out, even though she made a public announcement it's not our business, we have no right to fact check or reality check or judgment check the maybe strange and crazy mother who could be one cancerous McThuselah heartbeat away from the presidency...with our vote.</p> <p>And the baby. Since we magically accept Sarah's motherhood, we magically accept as well that our demands on <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> as a <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(153, 0, 153);">vice</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">president</b> will leave room for her to care for this special needs Down's baby as well. And we'll vote that magical mother into a position where she can decide for all women whether they should carry their Down fetuses to term, and whether there will be supports in place to help families meet their Down's children's needs, and what family planning services should exist. And the magical mother will feel rewarded and validated for her magical decisions and so go forward. It's what we want. It's her right.</p> <p>Do we all have our scripts now? Do we all know what we're supposed to see and say? Tell me again what the empress's new clothes look like in those photos and videos? Uh huh, uh huh, dark maternity pants...thanks, got it.</p> <p>That's CRAZY.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="415" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="416" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/592#c592">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:44:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="417" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c93">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c96"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Her mental health?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="418" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/96?mode=alone;showrate=1#c96">15+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="419" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="420" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4808">Realist2004</a>, <a linkindex="421" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="422" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18701">dadanation</a>, <a linkindex="423" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26230">hesk</a>, <a linkindex="424" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26985">duck</a>, <a linkindex="425" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:37096">dufffbeer</a>, <a linkindex="426" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:56833">Burned</a>, <a linkindex="427" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="428" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:97334">ballerina X</a>, <a linkindex="429" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a>, <a linkindex="430" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="431" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="432" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="433" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Explain to me why, if 100% true, this is anything more than act of kindness and love on Palin's part, to give her daughter a respite from fate and the infant a normal household?</p> <p>And <em>prying into it</em> is something other than reprehensible? </p> <p>I will listen to an argument but it better be awfully damned persuasive.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="434" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61119">LithiumCola</a> on <a linkindex="435" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/96#c96">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:01:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="436" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c118"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well she said she'd force her daughter to have a </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="437" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/118?mode=alone;showrate=1#c118">15+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="438" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17622">madhaus</a>, <a linkindex="439" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19026">emmanuel</a>, <a linkindex="440" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28895">revsue</a>, <a linkindex="441" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="442" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="443" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61119">LithiumCola</a>, <a linkindex="444" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="445" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="446" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="447" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="448" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="449" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="450" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:126101">Blogvirgin</a>, <a linkindex="451" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="452" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:174964">ChiTownBlue2000</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>baby even if the daughter didn't want one so that's an issue. She is also trying to play the part of some sort of hero for having the child. If it's not hers then that's an issue. Limbaugh is already on top of that meme and if it's not true it needs to be crushed.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="453" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:80913">JayGR</a> on <a linkindex="454" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/118#c118">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:05:02 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="455" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c128"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Why not reserve judgment on the story's</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="456" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/128?mode=alone;showrate=1#c128">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="457" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:1954">copithorne</a>, <a linkindex="458" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="459" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="460" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:47384">jfdunphy</a>, <a linkindex="461" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="462" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165085">LoveforObama</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p> veracity until it's properly researched? It shouldn't be too hard to get to the truth, particularly when the candidate releases her medical records.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="463" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="464" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/128#c128">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:06:17 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="465" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c534"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Will she release her medical records?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="466" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/534?mode=alone;showrate=1#c534">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="467" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="468" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:39647">gmhowell</a>, <a linkindex="469" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="470" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="471" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Without the prodding from the blogoshpere, will she even do it, or say that she is so young and does not have any serious medical conditions, so her medical records are unimportant.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="472" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a> on <a linkindex="473" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/534#c534">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:52:56 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="474" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c128">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c610"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Obama has a <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">rumor</b> debunking website,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="475" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/610?mode=alone;showrate=1#c610">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="476" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a>, <a linkindex="477" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> not so much.</p> <p>When the <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">rumor</b> was going around that Obama wasn't born in the United States, he <a linkindex="478" href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert">posted</a> his Hawaii birth certificate on a debunking "Fight the Smears" website he set up. But the reverse is happening here. Diarist reports online photos of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> taken from January to April <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> are disappearing from the State of Alaska website. Proper research? I'm waiting for the National Enquirer to report. That's what we're down to when reasonble inquiry is squelched.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="479" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="480" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/610#c610">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 09:25:05 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="481" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c128">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c134"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I don't agree with you</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="482" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/134?mode=alone;showrate=1#c134">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>but when I mentioned this story to my wife, she said the same thing. Kind of surprising to me, but it makes sense.</p> <p>If true, this story is interesting, but even if it came out, it wouldn't hurt her in any noticeable way.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="483" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a> on <a linkindex="484" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/134#c134">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:06:47 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="485" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c424"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">except that she lied. n/t.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="486" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/424?mode=alone;showrate=1#c424">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="487" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28895">revsue</a>, <a linkindex="488" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="489" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:43487">Tirge Caps</a>, <a linkindex="490" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="491" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="492" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="493" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:62597">roubs</a> on <a linkindex="494" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/424#c424">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:20:15 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="495" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c134">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c437"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">No point in doing it if you're not going to lie</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="496" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/437?mode=alone;showrate=1#c437">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>I mean, that defeats the purpose, doesn't it?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="497" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a> on <a linkindex="498" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/437#c437">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:27:26 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="499" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c424">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c158"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Ok, I'll try</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="500" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/158?mode=alone;showrate=1#c158">12+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="501" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="502" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20079">litho</a>, <a linkindex="503" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="504" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="505" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:58740">western star</a>, <a linkindex="506" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61119">LithiumCola</a>, <a linkindex="507" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="508" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="509" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a>, <a linkindex="510" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:126101">Blogvirgin</a>, <a linkindex="511" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="512" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:174964">ChiTownBlue2000</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>And I'm actually very unsure as to what is newsworthy...though I'm coming to the conclusion that we've had enough babyswitcheroo diaries here.</p> <p>If this is true (and I have no idea if it's not) it's not the daughter, it's the deception. It's not <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">Bristol</b>, it's a cover-up and perpetuating the deception while governor of Alaska.</p> <p>If this is true, she shouldn't be <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(153, 0, 153);">vice</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">president</b> of the United States.</p> <p>If this is true, I think it's a remarkable piece of bad parenting, but that's just me.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="513" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="514" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/158#c158">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:11:03 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="515" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c516"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">To bring a Down's syndrome baby into the world </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="516" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/516?mode=alone;showrate=1#c516">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="517" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="518" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>is a noble thing. The level of secrets, lies, and cover-ups that must have gone on (if the allegations are true) is anything but noble.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="519" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:171742">DirkFunk</a> on <a linkindex="520" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/516#c516">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:37:30 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="521" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c548"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Your definition of noble and mine must differ n/t</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="522" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/548?mode=alone;showrate=1#c548">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of a next first lady <br /><b>O</b>'biden '08!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="523" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:100752">second gen</a> on <a linkindex="524" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/548#c548">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:02:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="525" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c516">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c654"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">We don't even know if she was being noble</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="526" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/654?mode=alone;showrate=1#c654">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="527" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>or not. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> may not even have known about it until it was too late to do anything anyway. If I had a mother like <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> I wouldn't tell her diddly until it was too late for her to try to make me get rid of it and in order to save "face".</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="528" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> on <a linkindex="529" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/654#c654">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:58:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="530" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c516">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c582"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Why we should "pry":</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="531" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/582?mode=alone;showrate=1#c582">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="532" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <ol><li value="1"> It has already been made a campaign issue (the decision to birth Trig) by McCain/<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> and their surrogates.</li></ol> <ol><li value="2"> It is VERY likely that this is an "October surprise" in waiting (for exactly the reason you mention: it sheds <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> in a very sympathetic light, and close to the election could sway key states).</li></ol> <ol><li value="3"> It is more rational than condemning a person for naming their kid "Trig". :)</li></ol> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="533" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9961">JetTredmont</a> on <a linkindex="534" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/582#c582">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:30:54 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="535" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c96">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c131"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"> </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="536" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/131?mode=alone;showrate=1#c131">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="537" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="538" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82898">christomento</a> on <a linkindex="539" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/131#c131">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:06:32 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="540" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c144"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Not having kept up,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="541" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/144?mode=alone;showrate=1#c144">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="542" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9742">Shockwave</a>, <a linkindex="543" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="544" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="545" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="546" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:55258">majcmb1</a>, <a linkindex="547" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="548" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112632">Blackacre</a>, <a linkindex="549" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:126101">Blogvirgin</a>, <a linkindex="550" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145352">eltee</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>the first I heard of this was earlier today, and it sounded far-fetched, but I certainly don't know.</p> <p>What struck me (before hearing ANY of this) was that it was poor judgement to have such a small infant out in such a huge crowd as I saw the other day. </p> <p>I hadn't read the responses to the other diary, but just mentioned MY observation of this, and got flamed for suggesting it was not smart. But I know someone who took a five month infant to Wal-Mart to have portraits made (everyone who knew thought it was folly, and tried to talk the parents out of it) and the child ended up with a serious staph infection and back in the hospital.</p> <p>It's a matter of basic hygiene. Public places are full of germs, and especially threatening to infants of undeveloped immune systems. I can't imagine any person of sound judgement taking such a young infant into such a HUGE crowd, no matter WHOSE baby it is...</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="551" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a> on <a linkindex="552" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/144#c144">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:08:10 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="553" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c165"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">well, I sort of feel the same way</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="554" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/165?mode=alone;showrate=1#c165">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="555" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="556" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I took my kids out in public, but I certainly didn't take them any place with 1000s of people cheering.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="557" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="558" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/165#c165">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:12:15 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="559" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c144">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c198"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Uh, I would unhesitatingly take my</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="560" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/198?mode=alone;showrate=1#c198">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="561" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9742">Shockwave</a>, <a linkindex="562" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="563" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="564" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="565" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160915">dick armey</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>two or three month old into a large crowd. I've had three children. My first never even got so much as a sniffle until he was over a year old. My second contracted a stomach virus from his older brother when he was six months and has otherwise never been sick in 2 1/2 years. My third is three months old, and so far so good. Infants that breastfeed, as Trig does, are VERY well-protected immunologically. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="566" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a> on <a linkindex="567" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/198#c198">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:19:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="568" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c144">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c230"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Who is breast feeding Trig?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="569" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/230?mode=alone;showrate=1#c230">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="570" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="571" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="572" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="573" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160999">eXtina</a>, <a linkindex="574" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>And by the way, many children with Down's have other anomalies.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">phillysuse</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="575" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:14091">suse</a> on <a linkindex="576" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/230#c230">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:26:53 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="577" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c198">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c402"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b>?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="578" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/402?mode=alone;showrate=1#c402">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="579" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="580" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I've seen <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> make reference to a breast pump.</p> <p>which allows her to continue working.<br /><br /><br />````<br />peace<br /><br /></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><b>U.S. Mayors to Congress:</b> <a linkindex="581" href="http://www.usmayors.org/resolutions/76th_conference/chhs_03.asp">"Pass H.R. 676 NOW"</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="582" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a> on <a linkindex="583" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/402#c402">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:15:19 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="584" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c230">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c477"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">But talking about a breast pump isn't proof</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="585" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/477?mode=alone;showrate=1#c477">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="586" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="587" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a>, <a linkindex="588" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that she's the one actually using the breast pump.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Try <b><a linkindex="589" href="http://www.mariva.com/">Mariva's Guide</a></b>. You'll like it!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="590" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> on <a linkindex="591" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/477#c477">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:57:53 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="592" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c402">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c658"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I wondered why she felt it necessary to</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="593" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/658?mode=alone;showrate=1#c658">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="594" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>put this breast feeding statement on full blast in a national magazine like People. Like an advertisement or something. Very inappropriate discussion for a person trying to present an image of a heartbeaat away from being the leader of the free world. If anything very unHillary like if that's some of the voters she wants to attract.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="595" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> on <a linkindex="596" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/658#c658">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 11:04:17 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="597" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c477">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c629"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I saw a reference to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> breastfeeding</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="598" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/629?mode=alone;showrate=1#c629">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Can't remember where just now, maybe/probably Anchorage <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Daily</b> News.</p> <p>Hey, this is interesting! You know how the diarist talks about State of Alaska web pages being taken down? I googled "<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> breastfeeding" and one of the results is a State of Alaska/Governor <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> <a linkindex="599" href="http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=628&type=6">dead link</a> to her September 2007 proclamation of October 2007 as Breastfeeding Awareness Month--but it's still in the <a linkindex="600" href="http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:5DaRnMPwBvQJ:gov.state.ak.us/archive.php%3Fid%3D628%26type%3D6+sarah+palin+breastfeeding&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us">cache</a>, last retrieved on August 26, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b>. The link to the enlarged photo (<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> cutting a cake with daughter Piper) and printer friendly version are broken too. I wonder why they would scrub that page?<br /> </p> <p><img alt="Google cache of missing Gov Palin page" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2815894941_922da2699e.jpg" title="Google cache of missing Gov Palin page" /></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="601" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="602" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/629#c629">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:03:08 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="603" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c402">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c500"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> is. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="604" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/500?mode=alone;showrate=1#c500">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Nothing in this story proves anything to the contrary.</p> <p>Regardless, I sure hope that SOMEONE is, even if <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Sarah</b> isn't.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="605" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="606" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/500#c500">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:19:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="607" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c230">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c386"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I would be more concerned about the noise</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="608" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/386?mode=alone;showrate=1#c386">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="609" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="610" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>not the exposure to germs.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="611" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="612" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/386#c386">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:11:07 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="613" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c198">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c388"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Depends on your circumstance</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="614" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/388?mode=alone;showrate=1#c388">11+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="615" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="616" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="617" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a>, <a linkindex="618" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:62494">gazingoffsouthward</a>, <a linkindex="619" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="620" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="621" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="622" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92764">Christie</a>, <a linkindex="623" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a>, <a linkindex="624" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="625" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I have a child who was born 1 month early too. Lung issues are common at that gestational age, which results in these children being quite vulnerable to infection and such. In fact, even though I kept him out of public as much as I could, our child contracted RSV at five months, thanks to the lungs' "bad start" - treated and recovered fully, thank goodness, but you must understand that even slightly premature infants can be much more vulnerable than full term babies.</p> <p>Would I have taken a one-month premie into crowds like that at only a few months old, then dragged him on a tour bus around the country? HELL no. And I question her much-touted motherhood credentials for doing such a thing.</p> <p>And now she's dragged him down into hurricane central.</p> <p>Wow. Just... wow.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="626" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:141532">Are We There Yet</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="627" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/388#c388">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:11:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="628" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c198">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c498"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">True enough. So happy to hear that</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="629" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/498?mode=alone;showrate=1#c498">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="630" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>your baby recovered fully.</p> <p>I agree that premature babies are a different story. That's why I find the Texas-AK flight story so disturbing. Even if she wasn't in active labor when she left, she had thought she was before, she was leading fluid (and by your 5th, you know the difference), and yet she got on a 12 hour flight? That's insanity, because so many premies DO need help to breathe. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="631" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a> on <a linkindex="632" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/498#c498">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:18:55 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="633" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c388">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c544"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I agree</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="634" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/544?mode=alone;showrate=1#c544">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="635" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>At the very least, if her claim the baby is hers is true, she was risking the child's life. That shows horrendously poor judgment, and she is anything but mother of the year.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="636" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="637" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/544#c544">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:58:34 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="638" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c498">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c634"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Doesn't matter who the mother is</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="639" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/634?mode=alone;showrate=1#c634">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>of the baby she is dragging around. On the other hand, the baby would be four months old now (born at the end of April), not one, two or three. Better enough? I know nothing.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="640" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="641" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/634#c634">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:10:59 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="642" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c544">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c259"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">A 4-month old... they go places. If the baby was </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="643" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/259?mode=alone;showrate=1#c259">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="644" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9742">Shockwave</a>, <a linkindex="645" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="646" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="647" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="648" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="649" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160915">dick armey</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>6 weeks or less, then you keep them in much of the time. But after that, the grocery store, running errands, the doctors office. If you have an older sibling in school, every germ that goes around school comes home anyway.</p> <p>Taking the kid to criss-cross the country at 4 months... no, I sure wouldn't do that. I can't imagine anyone who would.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="650" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="651" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/259#c259">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:30:59 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="652" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c144">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c315"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Yes; common necessary errands are one thing,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="653" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/315?mode=alone;showrate=1#c315">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="654" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="655" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>crossing the country and going to rallies of thousands of people is quite another.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="656" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="657" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/315#c315">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:47:24 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="658" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c259">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c328"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">No, I would never campaign with one for any </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="659" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/328?mode=alone;showrate=1#c328">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="660" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28945">KateDK</a>, <a linkindex="661" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="662" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:126101">Blogvirgin</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>length of time.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="663" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="664" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/328#c328">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:50:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="665" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c315">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c452"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I have been...</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="666" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/452?mode=alone;showrate=1#c452">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="667" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="668" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a>, <a linkindex="669" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="670" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145366">leftneck</a>, <a linkindex="671" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>...touring with bands for about 15 years and have seen many babies raised in situations like this-all of whom have turned out beautifully. Americans are so over-protective of their babies. Ever spent any time in Africa? Babies are in huge crowds everywhere in the major cities and it doesn't seem to do them any harm.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="672" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157863">bradreiman</a> on <a linkindex="673" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/452#c452">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:38:34 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="674" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c259">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c677"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">She's a politician first and foremost</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="675" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/677?mode=alone;showrate=1#c677">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Politicians are known for hauling out their children (bonus points for babies) anywhere there's a photo op. Somehow they think this will get them votes...John Edwards practically FLUNG his youngest two in front of any camera within 5 miles.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="676" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:98705">bootes53</a> on <a linkindex="677" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/677#c677">Mon Sep 01, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 12:30:53 AM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="678" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c144">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c289"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">2 words: Jack Nicholson</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="679" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/289?mode=alone;showrate=1#c289">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="680" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="681" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76919">Nedsdag</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that's his life story, so it's not as 'out there' as some might think.<br />in any case, i wish we could verify this, before we go on a rampage.<br />we just can't be sure, unless it's investigated.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="682" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:158111">ladygreenslippers</a> on <a linkindex="683" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/289#c289">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:40:50 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a set="yes" linkindex="684" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c310"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Bobby Darin too.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="685" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/310?mode=alone;showrate=1#c310">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="686" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">This election is about the past versus the future.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="687" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42049">xndem</a> on <a linkindex="688" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/310#c310">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:45:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="689" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c289">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c480"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">And Eric Clapton.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="690" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/480?mode=alone;showrate=1#c480">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Also, the fictional Benjamin Hodge on the TV show <em>Desperate Housewives</em>.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Try <b><a linkindex="691" href="http://www.mariva.com/">Mariva's Guide</a></b>. You'll like it!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="692" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="693" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/480#c480">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:59:44 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="694" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c310">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c313"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Sullivan posts births at hospital site</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="695" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/313?mode=alone;showrate=1#c313">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="696" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25329">oslo</a>, <a linkindex="697" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="698" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>the site has now been taken down/......Here we go</p> <p>sullivan link <a set="yes" linkindex="699" href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/births-at-mat-s.html">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...</a></p> <p>site that is now down</p> <p> <a linkindex="700" href="http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/show_day.php?month=04&year=2008&day=18">http://www.matsuregional.com/...</a></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McBush is a gaffe monger.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="701" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:170736">BlueFranco</a> on <a linkindex="702" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/313#c313">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:46:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="703" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c82">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c394"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It's still up. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="704" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/394?mode=alone;showrate=1#c394">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="705" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25329">oslo</a>, <a linkindex="706" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:162007">tealwomin</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I got a screen capture of the old one anyway earlier today.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="707" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="708" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/394#c394">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:12:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="709" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c313">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c408"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">That site is working for me right now</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="710" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/408?mode=alone;showrate=1#c408">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="711" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>It's really slow, probably because it's getting a ton more traffic than it usually does. It's only showing two births on the day Trig was born, and neither one of them was him.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="712" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY">Yes, We Can</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="713" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20079">litho</a> on <a linkindex="714" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/408#c408">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:16:42 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="715" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c313">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c593"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Taken down?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="716" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/593?mode=alone;showrate=1#c593">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>I get a 404 File not Found error right away. Is taht really due to traffic to the site?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="717" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160915">dick armey</a> on <a linkindex="718" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/593#c593">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:49:18 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="719" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c408">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c596"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">That can happen with an overwhelmed server</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="720" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/596?mode=alone;showrate=1#c596">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>the site is probably been Drudged and Dailykosed into oblivion</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="721" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a> on <a linkindex="722" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/596#c596">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 08:58:35 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="723" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c593">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c637"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Not working for me</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="724" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/637?mode=alone;showrate=1#c637">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Both links down. Somebody want to post a screenshot? What's to see?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="725" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="726" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/637#c637">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 10:15:50 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="727" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c408">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c129"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"> </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="728" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/129?mode=alone;showrate=1#c129">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="729" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="730" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82898">christomento</a> on <a linkindex="731" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/129#c129">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:06:21 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="732" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c10">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c229"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Just when you think we've hit bottom...</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="733" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/229?mode=alone;showrate=1#c229">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="734" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>here it comes again? hmmmmm....</p> <p>Your opinion, correct?</p> <p>There's a really neat way to finish the speculation.</p> <p>Find the birth certificate.</p> <p>That's my thought.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Reality is best served in small portions and only to others.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="735" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:44098">0hio</a> on <a linkindex="736" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/229#c229">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:26:34 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="737" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c10">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c237"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Nope.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="738" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/237?mode=alone;showrate=1#c237">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="739" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="740" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22700">Mlle Orignalmale</a>, <a linkindex="741" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="742" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="743" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="744" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="745" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>You have it all backwards. The accuser has to provide the proof that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> faked her <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="746" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="747" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="748" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/237#c237">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:27:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="749" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c229">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c357"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Those of us who've given birth before</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="750" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/357?mode=alone;showrate=1#c357">29+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="751" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="752" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:5480">Christin</a>, <a linkindex="753" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:12977">LEP</a>, <a linkindex="754" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a>, <a linkindex="755" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20079">litho</a>, <a linkindex="756" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="757" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="758" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26206">bws</a>, <a linkindex="759" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28895">revsue</a>, <a linkindex="760" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35589">On The Bus</a>, <a linkindex="761" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35874">houyhnhnm</a>, <a linkindex="762" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="763" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a>, <a linkindex="764" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="765" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="766" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:78533">fezzik</a>, <a linkindex="767" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:81601">Blicero</a>, <a linkindex="768" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="769" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="770" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112632">Blackacre</a>, <a linkindex="771" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:113776">wayoutinthestix</a>, <a linkindex="772" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a>, <a linkindex="773" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145352">eltee</a>, <a linkindex="774" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153412">notksanymore</a>, <a linkindex="775" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:155049">How Insane Is John McCain</a>, <a linkindex="776" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="777" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a>, <a linkindex="778" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="779" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:166946">silverstairs</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I think knew right away this story sounded completely unbelievable. The more you hear, the weirder it sounds.<br />There's no option where <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b> sounds smart or reasonable here.<br />It's her baby, and yet she's taking long plane rides at 8 months pregnant to give a speech. She's leaking amniotic fluid -- where I'm betting 99 percent of doctors would say what mine did -- get to a hospital now! (And I was full-term at the time. Said I wanted to take a shower and needed to drop my 3-year-old off at pre-school and then my husband and I would be at the hospital. No, get to the hospital now. You're at risk for infection. If your membranes are ruptured completely, you're at risk for a prolapsed umbilical cord, where the cord comes out first, baby presses against it and cuts off his own oxygen supply.)<br />And they wouldn't let me go more than 24 hours with ruptured membranes before doing a C-section. Too great a risk of infection.<br />These are my <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b> experiences. I'm sure there are many women on this site who will say they experienced the same things.<br />I bet there's no one here who's ever been pregnant who had a doctor who said, If you're leaking amniotic fluid, it's ok to stay and give a speech and then fly home for 11 hours. Not a single one.</p> <p>We know this story stinks. She's lying. Or she's a terrible mother and not very smart.</p> <p>And if she's elected, she will not hesitate to try to tell me and my daughter what we can do with our own bodies should we become pregnant.</p> <p>That's why it's relevant. She wants to stick her nose into everyone's pregnancies. We have a right to know about hers.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="780" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="781" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/357#c357">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 05:59:23 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="782" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c237">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c404"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I was already hospitalized due to a high</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="783" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/404?mode=alone;showrate=1#c404">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="784" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a>, <a linkindex="785" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="786" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>risk <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 102, 255);">pregnancy</b>, but had an emergency c-section within, I'd say, 15 minutes of my water breaking when my twins were 32 weeks along. I was a little younger I think, than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">Palin</b>, but not much.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="787" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="788" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/404#c404">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:15:25 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="789" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c357">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c428"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well, I can see that.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="790" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/428?mode=alone;showrate=1#c428">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="791" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>But the problem is that we don't know all of the details of Palin's situation because of the simple fact of doctor-patient confidentiality. In other words, your situation and hers might be two totally different situations.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="792" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="793" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="794" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/428#c428">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 06:22:08 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="795" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c357">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c518"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">She had leaking amniotic fluid. That's what she </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="796" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/518?mode=alone;showrate=1#c518">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="797" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="798" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>said she had.<br />Ask any doctor: you go to the hospital. They want to know if it really is amniotic fluid. They don't let you run around with ruptured membranes. You're risking infection. And ruptured membranes and infection are both risks for pre-term labor, which is why being confined to a plane, away from medical care, for hours and hours, is a bad idea.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="799" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="800" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/518#c518">Sun Aug 31, <b style="color: white; background-color: rgb(136, 104, 0);">2008</b> at 07:39:58 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="801" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c428">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c520"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I'll tell you what:</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="802" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/520?mode=alone;showrate=1#c520">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Since your mother seems to have a lot of knowledge in this area, it might help a lot for her to post about this sort of thing. Now, I would caution that even she can only speak to these situations in general and not to Palin's specific situation, but I think to have an expert like your mother on here would really move this discussion along.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="803" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="804" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="805" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/520#c520">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:43:52 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="806" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c518">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c545"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Cokie Roberts said today that this was an example</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="807" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/545?mode=alone;showrate=1#c545">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="808" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28895">revsue</a>, <a linkindex="809" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="810" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a>, <a linkindex="811" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="812" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>of a gutsy woman, getting on the plane while in labor. Supposing it is true and she had an inflight emergency and forced the flight to divert or forced the crew or medical people who happened to be travelling on the flight to deal with an in-flight medical emergency delivery. All this because she was gutsy and got on a long flight while in labor. Sounds selfish and stupid to me at best. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="813" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a> on <a linkindex="814" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/545#c545">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:59:24 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="815" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c357">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c643"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">"Can't have a fish picker from Texas" said Todd</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="816" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/643?mode=alone;showrate=1#c643">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Gutsy?</p> <blockquote> <p><a set="yes" linkindex="817" href="http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html">http://www.adn.com/...</a></p> <p>"You can't have a fish picker from Texas," said Todd. </p> </blockquote> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="818" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="819" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/643#c643">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:26:30 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="820" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c545">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c490"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Easy to fudge cert. when you're gov.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="821" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/490?mode=alone;showrate=1#c490">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="822" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:48175">yuriwho</a>, <a linkindex="823" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="824" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="825" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Small state, small town, family with political pull, will scrub medical records, will get silence from hospital employees etc. (but I'm betting there would be a leak really soon.)</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Books are humanity in print. Barbara Tuchman </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="826" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:62494">gazingoffsouthward</a> on <a linkindex="827" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/490#c490">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:07:18 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="828" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c229">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c25"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I sort of agree</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="829" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/25?mode=alone;showrate=1#c25">22+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="830" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:1409">PeteyP</a>, <a linkindex="831" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="832" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="833" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="834" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22700">Mlle Orignalmale</a>, <a linkindex="835" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23123">stevej</a>, <a linkindex="836" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="837" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="838" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="839" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:74968">Data Pimp</a>, <a linkindex="840" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="841" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:84154">AntKat</a>, <a linkindex="842" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:108236">rmonroe</a>, <a linkindex="843" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112632">Blackacre</a>, <a linkindex="844" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="845" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="846" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:139736">Fonsia</a>, <a linkindex="847" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150157">Comrade Brad</a>, <a linkindex="848" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="849" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157016">HeadnHeart</a>, <a linkindex="850" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a>, <a linkindex="851" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:162591">on board 47</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that this sort of topic should be off limits. And it sounded like a ridiculous conspiracy theory to me at first. But the wedding ring on Bristol convinced me there may be some truth.</p> <p>I'd like to rely on the gossip press to handle this, though, not DKos.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="852" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a> on <a linkindex="853" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/25#c25">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:45:19 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="854" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c67"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">well put n/t</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="855" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/67?mode=alone;showrate=1#c67">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="856" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="857" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="858" href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-19-mccain-roe_x.htm">John McCain</a> is anti-choice </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="859" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23123">stevej</a> on <a linkindex="860" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/67#c67">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:54:33 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="861" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c69"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">There is a simple explination...</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="862" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/69?mode=alone;showrate=1#c69">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="863" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:41058">Thestral</a>, <a linkindex="864" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="865" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="866" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="867" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153412">notksanymore</a>, <a linkindex="868" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159364">Junah</a>, <a linkindex="869" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>It's a "Promise" ring. A lot of fundamentalist Christians give these to their daughters... a sort of bribe to encourage them to save their hu-nany.</p> <p>I think we are verring into COLB-gate territory here, and should stop before we embarrass ourselves.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="870" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160494">Tatan</a> on <a linkindex="871" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/69#c69">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:55:22 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="872" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c114"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">With all due repsect, I'm not embarrassing myself</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="873" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/114?mode=alone;showrate=1#c114">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="874" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a>, <a linkindex="875" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="876" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="877" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="878" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a>, <a linkindex="879" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="880" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>That diarist isn't even soiling their unknown name.</p> <p>If anyone is, it's Andrew Sullivan. If any political leader tied to the Obama campaign or high profile Democrat chimes in, they'd be at risk.</p> <p>But frankly, random people on Daily Kos making unsupported allegations? This is bad why? O'Reilly is going to take some comments out of context and make us look bad?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="881" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a> on <a linkindex="882" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/114#c114">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:04:36 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="883" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c69">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c155"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It is surprising that anyone is worried</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="884" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/155?mode=alone;showrate=1#c155">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="885" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="886" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="887" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="888" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a>, <a linkindex="889" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a>, <a linkindex="890" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="891" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>what O'Reilly will think or say about us. We police ourselves pretty well, and generally avoid really nasty slurs and such (especially compared to Free Republic and Little Green Footballs).</p> <p>For that, O'Reilly calls us Satan, the KKK, and the Communist Party (often simultaneously).</p> <p>Nothing we say will change his opinion in any way. There are arguments against discussing this story, but that's not one of them.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="892" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a> on <a linkindex="893" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/155#c155">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:09:58 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="894" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c114">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c108"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">exactly</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="895" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/108?mode=alone;showrate=1#c108">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="896" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="897" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:57402">QuickSilver</a>, <a linkindex="898" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="899" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76919">Nedsdag</a>, <a linkindex="900" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="901" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="902" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="903" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165085">LoveforObama</a>, <a linkindex="904" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>when I saw this</p> <p><a linkindex="905" target="_blank" href="http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/ksh01/?action=view&current=Palin_family.jpg"><img alt="Photobucket" src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/ksh01/Palin_family.jpg" border="" /></a></p> <p>I had a feeling something was up, but I would think the tabloids are the better source. I wouldn't surprised if there's some announcement re: Bristol next week from the McCain camp.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="906" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="907" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/108#c108">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:03:00 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="908" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c157"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Who else is supposed to hold the baby?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="909" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/157?mode=alone;showrate=1#c157">13+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="910" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="911" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="912" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a>, <a linkindex="913" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="914" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26985">duck</a>, <a linkindex="915" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:37096">dufffbeer</a>, <a linkindex="916" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="917" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="918" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="919" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="920" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="921" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="922" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>She's the eldest, isn't she? How can her holding the baby be twisted into any sort of proof of parenthood, for god's sake.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="923" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="924" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/157#c157">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:10:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="925" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c108">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c241"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">How about the DAD? Why would you assume the elde</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="926" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/241?mode=alone;showrate=1#c241">21+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="927" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9742">Shockwave</a>, <a linkindex="928" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="929" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:15939">2lucky</a>, <a linkindex="930" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a>, <a linkindex="931" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="932" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="933" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="934" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35589">On The Bus</a>, <a linkindex="935" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:39647">gmhowell</a>, <a linkindex="936" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="937" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="938" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76919">Nedsdag</a>, <a linkindex="939" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="940" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="941" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112887">maizenblue</a>, <a linkindex="942" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:113776">wayoutinthestix</a>, <a linkindex="943" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="944" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a>, <a linkindex="945" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="946" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a>, <a linkindex="947" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173887">Cowabunga</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>st DAUGHTER for this job, anywho?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="948" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889">McCain</a>:economic policy shaped by lobbyist</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="949" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:120671">eyesonthestreet</a> on <a linkindex="950" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/241#c241">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:28:10 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="951" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c157">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c325"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Because she probably LIKES holding the baby</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="952" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/325?mode=alone;showrate=1#c325">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="953" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="954" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="955" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:37096">dufffbeer</a>, <a linkindex="956" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="957" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="958" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="959" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Jesus, people! Get a grip!</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="960" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="961" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/325#c325">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:49:16 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="962" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c241">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c359"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">When there is a big age difference...</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="963" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/359?mode=alone;showrate=1#c359">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="964" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="965" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="966" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="967" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64705">jiordan</a>, <a linkindex="968" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a>, <a linkindex="969" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="970" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="971" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="972" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>between siblings, the older ones often spend a lot of time helping with child care. That has certainly been the case in my family.</p> <p>When I look at this picture of Bristol I see a big sister who is doing a great job of taking care of her baby brother. Good for her.</p> <p>If Republicans were spreading rumors about Malia and Sasha in this way, people here would be just flipping out.</p> <p>Please, everyone, no more suspicious questions about Palin's children. It's just not right.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="973" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> on <a linkindex="974" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/359#c359">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:59:57 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="975" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c157">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c660"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">What rubbish equating Malia and Sasha</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="976" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/660?mode=alone;showrate=1#c660">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>to this situation. They could not even be involved in anything sordid like this. Get a reality check. She is at an age where being missing from school for 5 to 8 months is a Red Flag. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="977" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173826">rock2casbah</a> on <a linkindex="978" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/660#c660">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:07:18 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="979" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c359">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c407"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I'm talking about the ring</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="980" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/407?mode=alone;showrate=1#c407">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="981" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22482">peace voter</a>, <a linkindex="982" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:31651">jlynne</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>wedding, engagement, or "promise" as one poster put it on the finger usually reserved for wedding bands.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="983" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="984" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/407#c407">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:16:27 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="985" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c157">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c657"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">rings are funny aren't they?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="986" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/657?mode=alone;showrate=1#c657">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>it's on the middle finger of her left hand in one of the pictures posted in the first diary. <a set="yes" linkindex="987" href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137">http://www.dailykos.com/...</a></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><i>Steny Hoyer = a slam dunk argument for term limits</i></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="988" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:31651">jlynne</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="989" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/657#c657">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="990" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c407">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c459"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I hold my...</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="991" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/459?mode=alone;showrate=1#c459">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="992" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="993" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>....siblings babies all the time gasp! even when the dad is around double gasp! This place is getting kooky!</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="994" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157863">bradreiman</a> on <a linkindex="995" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/459#c459">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:42:02 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="996" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c108">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c142"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It's a "Promise Ring"</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="997" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/142?mode=alone;showrate=1#c142">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="998" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="999" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35874">houyhnhnm</a>, <a linkindex="1000" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1001" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118795">Mother of Zeus</a>, <a linkindex="1002" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153412">notksanymore</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Common in my neck of the woods, where there's all breeds of wingnuts. I'm not one so I can't tell you all the meaning of it 'cause I might get something wrong. Note that her ring is NOT worn on the ring finger.</p> <p>This diary is trollish, but only in the sense that it assumes an answer to a rumour that has not been confirmed yet.</p> <p>For the record (flame away), I <em>do</em> think that that Down's kid is Palin's grandson, not her son. But we don't have any real proof, and until more evidence comes up, it's best to not hammer it.</p> <p>Let's let the National Enquirer deal with this for now.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Obama '08. Good for the Party, Good for the Country.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1003" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:90535">SouthernFried</a> on <a linkindex="1004" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/142#c142">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:07:44 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1005" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c160"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">You have finger counting issues</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1006" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/160?mode=alone;showrate=1#c160">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1007" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a>, <a linkindex="1008" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The Promise Ring theory may well be correct. There is some evidence pointing away from a Bristol pregnancy as well as toward.</p> <p>But that's definitely on her ring finger of her left hand.</p> <p><em>Nothing feels good like you in red and blue jeans and your white and night things. And your white and night things.</em></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1009" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a> on <a linkindex="1010" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/160#c160">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:11:55 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1011" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c142">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c269"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">You're right....</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1012" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/269?mode=alone;showrate=1#c269">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1013" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:4242">SarahLee</a>, <a linkindex="1014" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1015" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The picture of Bristol and the Kid clearly shows a ring on her left hand on the fourth finger, where one expects a wedding ring to be. Doesn't change the fact it's a Promise Ring, though it may be an Engagement Ring (doubtful).</p> <p>I was referring to a different picture from a different diary, an outdoor family shot which showed her wearing a ring on her <em>middle</em> finger, which is traditionally where a Promise Ring goes.</p> <p>As to the girl herself, I don't enjoy talking about her. It's sad that her name is going to get dragged through the mud, whether or not the rumours are true (evidence sketchy)</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Obama '08. Good for the Party, Good for the Country.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1016" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:90535">SouthernFried</a> on <a linkindex="1017" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/269#c269">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:34:52 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1018" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c160">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c185"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">yet it disappears in later photos taken the same </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1019" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/185?mode=alone;showrate=1#c185">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1020" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156764">SPD</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>day. There are pics with and without on Meghan McCain's blogette thingie. It's odd. I'm guessing you have no proof it's a promise ring? I don't mean to slam you, I just wondered if there is any.</p> <p>Agree about the proof, although I don't know what the truth is here or what our role should be or is. I'm clueless, but something's up...something's not right and, well, I guess the ball is in Palin's court to either explain or let the rumors go on. </p> <p>I wouldn't be surprised if Palin does a smear site, if it's all untrue.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1021" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="1022" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/185#c185">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:17:36 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1023" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c142">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c190"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Nope.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1024" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/190?mode=alone;showrate=1#c190">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1025" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a>, <a linkindex="1026" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1027" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The ball is in our court to prove that it is true. Just like any other allegation.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1028" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1029" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1030" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/190#c190">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:18:23 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1031" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c185">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c366"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">well yeah, I agree that </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1032" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/366?mode=alone;showrate=1#c366">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>it's not going to prove itself. But EH, I did a search yesterday to see who, what, where people are chatting about this and it's all over the place. On many small social networking sites (many for women only). It grows at her peril...well, at least at this point, it's at her peril, we'll see. Once it hits Perez Hilton, it's all over the place though.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1033" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="1034" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/366#c366">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:01:57 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1035" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c190">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c149"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">This topic shouldn't be off limits </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1036" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/149?mode=alone;showrate=1#c149">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1037" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="1038" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="1039" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:47384">jfdunphy</a>, <a linkindex="1040" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1041" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="1042" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165085">LoveforObama</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>If it's true. It means a woman who could be VP is a lying you know what.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1043" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161229">Voodoo king</a> on <a linkindex="1044" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/149#c149">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1045" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c169"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Yeah, just like Clinton</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1046" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/169?mode=alone;showrate=1#c169">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1047" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:27175">Gray</a>, <a linkindex="1048" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p><em>But, but, but... she lied to America!</em> Just what Obama needs.</p> <p>It's a private/family matter for pete's sake!</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">From Europe? Join the fun at the <a linkindex="1049" href="http://www.eurotrib.com/">European Tribune</a>!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1050" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26230">hesk</a> on <a linkindex="1051" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/169#c169">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:13:19 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1052" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c149">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c549"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Someone, however, has to keep the pressure on </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1053" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/549?mode=alone;showrate=1#c549">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1054" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>the gossip press to get it to the traditional media. Without the blogs, the DOJ US Deputy Attorney General scandals would have never gotten off the ground. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1055" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a> on <a linkindex="1056" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/549#c549">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:03:08 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1057" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c25">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c57"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">People are falling for the bait </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1058" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/57?mode=alone;showrate=1#c57">20+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1059" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="1060" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1061" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:44149">John3</a>, <a linkindex="1062" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1063" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60553">turnover</a>, <a linkindex="1064" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:72075">prodigal</a>, <a linkindex="1065" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82800">Temmoku</a>, <a linkindex="1066" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1067" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1068" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="1069" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a>, <a linkindex="1070" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1071" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145359">Libertaria</a>, <a linkindex="1072" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1073" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150476">batgirl71</a>, <a linkindex="1074" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="1075" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a>, <a linkindex="1076" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1077" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a>, <a linkindex="1078" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:171875">The Defenestrator</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>This is the only thing that can lose the election. It's complete and utter bullshit, and idiotic politics. Though part of me thinks that at least some of this shit is the work of Republican moles.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1079" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112997">The Bagof Health and Politics</a> on <a linkindex="1080" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/57#c57">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:52:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1081" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c133"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Even if they didn't put us up to it,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1082" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/133?mode=alone;showrate=1#c133">11+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1083" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="1084" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1085" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1086" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1087" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1088" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1089" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="1090" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1091" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1092" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1093" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>the fact that people are sitting here -- again -- perusing photos of Palin's daughter does not speak well for the Kossack community.</p> <p>If we are going to be at all consistent with our tireless advocacy of privacy rights, and with our anger over the incessant smears that both Obama and Clinton were subjected to throughout the primaries, then we need to let this go.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1094" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:955">Dale</a> on <a linkindex="1095" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/133#c133">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1096" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c57">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c174"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I agree -- this is not our business</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1097" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/174?mode=alone;showrate=1#c174">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1098" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="1099" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1100" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:44149">John3</a>, <a linkindex="1101" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1102" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1103" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1104" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>both in terms of substance AND process</p> <p>To give credit where it's due, the National Enquirer actually hit the Dem political establishment -- and that includes us -- with the truth in the Edwards case. If true, this story will come out in spades in the tabloid press -- let them do the dirty work.</p> <p>There, I've made my point, and with that, I'm out.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Where's your Obama office?</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1105" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150157">Comrade Brad</a> on <a linkindex="1106" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/174#c174">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:15:14 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1107" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c133">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c146"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The rumours started before she was picked as VP</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1108" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/146?mode=alone;showrate=1#c146">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1109" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:11032">TooLittleSleep</a>, <a linkindex="1110" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="1111" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1112" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="1113" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1114" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1115" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a>, <a linkindex="1116" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a>, <a linkindex="1117" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159553">kenjisan</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>There's a blog dated Aug 8th on reddit.com that discusses the controversy.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1118" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:151158">Momentum</a> on <a linkindex="1119" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/146#c146">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1120" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c57">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c484"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Do you have a link?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1121" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/484?mode=alone;showrate=1#c484">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1122" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Try <b><a linkindex="1123" href="http://www.mariva.com/">Mariva's Guide</a></b>. You'll like it!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1124" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> on <a linkindex="1125" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/484#c484">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:03:49 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1126" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c146">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c246"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">If this is credible...it does matter....someone </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1127" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/246?mode=alone;showrate=1#c246">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1128" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="1129" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a>, <a linkindex="1130" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:58740">western star</a>, <a linkindex="1131" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1132" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69860">Prognosticator</a>, <a linkindex="1133" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="1134" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>this unknown thrust this close to such power -- a 50% chance of becoming the 2nd most powerful person on the planet in two months -- and what do we know about her?!</p> <p>That's political and national security malpractice on McCain's part. We know nothing about this woman.</p> <p>That's insane. How do you know she's not capable of pulling some kind of stunt like this? And if she is, and we elect her Vice President of the United States -- a heartbeat away -- this is like the friggin' Dead Zone.</p> <p>Two months. That's how much time we have to figure out who the hell this woman is.</p> <p>Obama's been vetted and tested and subjected to how many stories, debates, elections in the past two years?</p> <p>Palin? Scary, scary shit.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1135" href="http://www.amazon.com/Delivery-Man-Joe-McGinniss-Jr/dp/0802170420/ref">The Delivery Man by Joe McGinniss Jr. [Grove/Atlantic January, 2008]</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1136" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:33627">joemcginnissjr</a> on <a linkindex="1137" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/246#c246">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:29:08 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1138" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c57">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c486"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Even if it isn't credible, she scares me</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1139" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/486?mode=alone;showrate=1#c486">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Granted, I'm a partisan for Obama, but still, what if he wins?</p> <p>The way I look at it, even if you didn't like a presidential or vice presidential candidate's politics if, for example (and god forbid) CANDIDATE John McCain had a fatal heart attack, would the people then be comfortable with Sarah Palin as taking his place? (I know she wouldn't be the nominee, but this is how I'm looking at it). I would think the answer is a resounding NO!</p> <p>And maybe that's where it will hit Americans hardest, especially with such an older possible president.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1140" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a> on <a linkindex="1141" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/486#c486">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:04:48 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1142" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c246">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c656"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">What makes you think only Kossacks are wondering?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1143" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/656?mode=alone;showrate=1#c656">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>It started in Alaska and it's out there on Huffington Post and Andrew Sullivan and Drudge and...</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1144" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1145" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/656#c656">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:01:55 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1146" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c57">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c60"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">If you have something of interest</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1147" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/60?mode=alone;showrate=1#c60">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1148" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1149" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1150" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a>, <a linkindex="1151" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1152" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1153" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153505">Andrys</a>, <a linkindex="1154" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Take it to Drudge or National Inquiror. This is not appropriate for this site.</p> <p>If you want to practice gutter politics AND not hurt the reputation of the liberal left here at dkos, the send this information to the appropriate venue.</p> <p>We are not the appropriate place for gutter politics. </p> <p>We are better than this.</p> <p>We should be better than this.</p> <p>Think, for a freaking change before you post.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">We are all Droogie....f*ck the AP</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1155" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:147018">crazyshirley2100</a> on <a linkindex="1156" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/60#c60">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:53:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1157" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c75"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Um...this isn't my diary.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1158" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/75?mode=alone;showrate=1#c75">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1159" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:92029">Dartagnan</a>, <a linkindex="1160" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="1161" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"You won't be happy with me / but give me one more chance / you won't be happy anyway." - Stephin Merritt</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1162" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60553">turnover</a> on <a linkindex="1163" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/75#c75">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:56:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1164" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c60">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c87"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Realized after I posted</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1165" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/87?mode=alone;showrate=1#c87">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1166" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69999">ruleoflaw</a>, <a linkindex="1167" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1168" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1169" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>and requested a tip jar.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">We are all Droogie....f*ck the AP</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1170" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:147018">crazyshirley2100</a> on <a linkindex="1171" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/87#c87">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1172" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c75">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c150"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">No apology?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1173" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/150?mode=alone;showrate=1#c150">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1174" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a>, <a linkindex="1175" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1176" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="1177" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/150#c150">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:50 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1178" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c87">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c331"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Drudge won't touch it.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1179" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/331?mode=alone;showrate=1#c331">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1180" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I heard the National Enquirer has reporters on this story.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"No Way! No How! No McCain!" </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1181" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76919">Nedsdag</a> on <a linkindex="1182" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/331#c331">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:51:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1183" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c60">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c611"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">This Is A Very Appropriate Site to Talk About It</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1184" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/611?mode=alone;showrate=1#c611">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>We are vetting Sarah Palin because John McCain did not vet her properly. The allegation that the Christian right-wing conservative pro-life Republican vice presidential candidate lied about the birth of her grandson Trig is a gravely serious issue. Again, it's not about Bristol allegedly giving birth to Trig. It's about Sarah Palin allegedly lying about it to use Trig to portray her as a staunch pro-life in this election.</p> <p>Moreover, <a linkindex="1185" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBjwZ93n6Q">this YouTube broadcast</a> provides even more information supporting the allegation. And this allegation has already spread out all over the Internet.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1186" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a> on <a linkindex="1187" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/611#c611">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:27:47 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1188" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c60">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c77"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The hair</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1189" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/77?mode=alone;showrate=1#c77">12+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1190" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35874">houyhnhnm</a>, <a linkindex="1191" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:38895">monkee</a>, <a linkindex="1192" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60553">turnover</a>, <a linkindex="1193" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="1194" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:90535">SouthernFried</a>, <a linkindex="1195" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:108236">rmonroe</a>, <a linkindex="1196" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1197" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:140355">SoCalRefugee</a>, <a linkindex="1198" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1199" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="1200" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160999">eXtina</a>, <a linkindex="1201" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>is the real issue here. Of the collage of the two preggers Sarahs the diarist says: </p> <blockquote> <p>The disparity is shocking </p> </blockquote> <p>Indeed, but it's not the physique, it's the hair. How the heck did folks have such poor taste in hairdos in the eighties?</p> <p>Anyway, folks should just leave the Gilf* and her baby alone. I think her candidacy is going to go Eagleton all by itself on the merits. A slimy push from the leftist blogosphere is not needed, is not helpful, and will only serve to discredit us.</p> * where the G stands for Governor not Grandmother. </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1202" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19699">westegg</a> on <a linkindex="1203" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/77#c77">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:56:09 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1204" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c110"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Hilarious</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1205" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/110?mode=alone;showrate=1#c110">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1206" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19699">westegg</a>, <a linkindex="1207" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:38895">monkee</a>, <a linkindex="1208" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1209" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="1210" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="1211" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1212" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160999">eXtina</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I agree about the hair. The 80s were a no no for fashion and hairdos.</p> <p>Except of course for my man LL Cool J. Who doesn't love him?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1213" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> on <a linkindex="1214" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/110#c110">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:03:56 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1215" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c77">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c177"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Don't call it a comeback....</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1216" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/177?mode=alone;showrate=1#c177">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1217" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19699">westegg</a>, <a linkindex="1218" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a>, <a linkindex="1219" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>he's been here for years.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1220" href="http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/">Know your enemy</a> - Rage Against the Machine</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1221" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26985">duck</a> on <a linkindex="1222" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/177#c177">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:16:10 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1223" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c110">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c245"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Hehe. n/t</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1224" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/245?mode=alone;showrate=1#c245">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1225" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19699">westegg</a>, <a linkindex="1226" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1227" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> on <a linkindex="1228" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/245#c245">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:29:05 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1229" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c177">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c161"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">You're right. That *is* the scandal.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1230" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/161?mode=alone;showrate=1#c161">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1231" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1232" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19699">westegg</a>, <a linkindex="1233" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:58740">western star</a>, <a linkindex="1234" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1235" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160999">eXtina</a>, <a linkindex="1236" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Even worse, though, is the shocking way that Palin has <em>hung onto</em> the worst of those 1980s fashions.</p> <p>Two words: Hoop. Earings.</p> <p>She's running for VP, not for backup vocals with Gloria Estafan.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1237" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:955">Dale</a> on <a linkindex="1238" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/161#c161">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:11:58 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1239" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c77">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c344"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Hahahaha</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1240" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/344?mode=alone;showrate=1#c344">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1241" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1242" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:151042">MKSinSA</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>OH you guys are on fire tonight. So true though.</p> <p>Also, why is she still rocking a beehive?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1243" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:173372">around the way girl</a> on <a linkindex="1244" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/344#c344">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:56:22 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1245" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c161">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c483"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">She schoolmarmed up.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1246" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/483?mode=alone;showrate=1#c483">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1247" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>To try to down play her beauty queen republican warrior princess look.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">YES WE CAN Register to Vote from China! <b><a linkindex="1248" href="http://www.votefromabroad.org/9">http://www.votefromabroad.org</a></b></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1249" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> on <a linkindex="1250" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/483#c483">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:02:45 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1251" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c344">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c107"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Here's the problem.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1252" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/107?mode=alone;showrate=1#c107">11+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1253" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:14790">Sandy on Signal</a>, <a linkindex="1254" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="1255" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35874">houyhnhnm</a>, <a linkindex="1256" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:58740">western star</a>, <a linkindex="1257" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1258" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="1259" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:140594">Calouste</a>, <a linkindex="1260" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156717">BrooklynWeaver</a>, <a linkindex="1261" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="1262" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169598">nirbama</a>, <a linkindex="1263" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:172070">Courtneys Mom</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The GOP has made this an issue by trying to paint her as some sort of heroic figure for having a child with DS while simultaneously being a fantastic governor.</p> <p>If it's not true then people deserve to know they're getting played.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1264" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:80913">JayGR</a> on <a linkindex="1265" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/107#c107">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:02:33 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1266" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c275"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Palin wouldn't hesitate to try to ban abortions</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1267" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/275?mode=alone;showrate=1#c275">7+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1268" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="1269" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35874">houyhnhnm</a>, <a linkindex="1270" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1271" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="1272" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1273" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101566">geejay</a>, <a linkindex="1274" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>of any kind in this country for my daughters and yours. And yet she's ready to lie about her own daughter's pregnancy?<br />No, not that. I really wouldn't mind if she lied about her daughter's pregnancy to protect her daughter.<br />But once she's claimed the baby as hers, she doesn't get to be VP. She turns down VP because she's decided to lie and protect her daughter. Bringing that kind of scrutiny to the family is sure to bring out this secret.<br />Unless being VP is more important than protecting her daughter. (And I believe it must be to Palin.)</p> <p>If it is her child, she chose to go on the road for a grueling two months with a 4-month old, special-needs child. I can't think of any good mother who would do that. You can't travel constantly for two months with a child that age, and I sure wouldn't leave him at home for that long.</p> <p>So I question her judgment whether the baby is hers or not. And I think I have a right when she wants to tell me and my daughter what we can do with our own bodies. </p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1275" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="1276" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/275#c275">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:36:16 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1277" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c107">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c282"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Either way I question her judgment</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1278" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/282?mode=alone;showrate=1#c282">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1279" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:26089">Miss Blue</a>, <a linkindex="1280" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1281" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:79365">MrJersey</a>, <a linkindex="1282" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="1283" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:104600">RIP Russ</a>, <a linkindex="1284" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>since, even if she's telling the truth, she endangered the life of her child by her actions.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1285" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:80913">JayGR</a> on <a linkindex="1286" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/282#c282">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:39:10 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1287" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c275">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c463"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Actually that age is a great age for travel</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1288" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/463?mode=alone;showrate=1#c463">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1289" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1290" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>if you have any help. They sleep a lot, aren't crawling or walking into trouble. You'd have plenty of time to cuddle with him as you traveled.</p> <p>The thing a "good mother" would not do is get on a plane when she had lost some fluid and had some contractions. If she is the mother she should not be VP because that was crazy bad judgment.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1291" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a> on <a linkindex="1292" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/463#c463">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:48:12 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1293" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c275">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c514"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Take a trip, OK. But be on the road from dawn </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1294" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/514?mode=alone;showrate=1#c514">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>until midnight for two months straight? Going to give or six cities a day, the way a VP candidate goes?<br />I don't think so.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1295" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22110">teresahill</a> on <a linkindex="1296" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/514#c514">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:37:24 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1297" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c463">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c585"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Huh?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1298" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/585?mode=alone;showrate=1#c585">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>They are still getting immunizations and usually get a little sick or have other reactions from them. They pick up colds and stomach viruses from anyone anywhere. They are starting to teethe. They get mysterious fevers and rashes. They get ear infections. Air travel bothers their ears and they scream even when they don't have ear infections.</p> <p>Maybe a bit of a trip--a vacation or something--would be fine. But travel as a regular part of existence for a four-month-old? I think it would be really hard.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Not all who wander are lost. J. R. R. Tolkien</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1299" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:74505">NCJan</a> on <a linkindex="1300" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/585#c585">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:35:32 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1301" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c463">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c127"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu"> </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1302" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/127?mode=alone;showrate=1#c127">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1303" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82898">christomento</a> on <a linkindex="1304" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/127#c127">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:13 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1305" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c140"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I really think this diarist needs to be banned</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1306" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/140?mode=alone;showrate=1#c140">11+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1307" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1308" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1309" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60553">turnover</a>, <a linkindex="1310" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69999">ruleoflaw</a>, <a linkindex="1311" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="1312" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1313" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="1314" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110850">AJsMom</a>, <a linkindex="1315" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118936">alasmoses</a>, <a linkindex="1316" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1317" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>and warnings put out to anyone else who wants to post these types of diaries.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1318" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="1319" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/140#c140">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:07:31 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1320" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c171"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">what type of diary is this</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1321" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/171?mode=alone;showrate=1#c171">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1322" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:9669">TheGreatLeapForward</a>, <a linkindex="1323" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:64424">mariva</a>, <a linkindex="1324" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:77623">blitz boy</a>, <a linkindex="1325" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>where will you start drawing the lines? Will we use your sensibilities or mine? The title of the diary makes its content clear self censor.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq," Sarah Palin 07/07</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1326" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:155186">Adept2u</a> on <a linkindex="1327" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/171#c171">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:14:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1328" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c140">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c212"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The administrators have already spoken.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1329" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/212?mode=alone;showrate=1#c212">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1330" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6921">musing85</a>, <a linkindex="1331" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:22700">Mlle Orignalmale</a>, <a linkindex="1332" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a>, <a linkindex="1333" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1334" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a>, <a linkindex="1335" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118936">alasmoses</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>And these diaries are off limits. It's what they say, not what we say.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1336" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1337" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1338" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/212#c212">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:23:15 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1339" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c171">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c352"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Although I agree 110% -nt-</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1340" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/352?mode=alone;showrate=1#c352">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1341" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118936">alasmoses</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1342" href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/">John McCain</a> hates children.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1343" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:110100">discocarp</a> on <a linkindex="1344" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/352#c352">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:57:38 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1345" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c212">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c329"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Conspiracy theories, attacking children</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1346" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/329?mode=alone;showrate=1#c329">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1347" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1348" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118936">alasmoses</a>, <a linkindex="1349" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150187">beijingbetty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The admins have already drawn the lines.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1350" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="1351" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/329#c329">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:50:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1352" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c171">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c403"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Funny thing about "conspiracy theories"</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1353" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/403?mode=alone;showrate=1#c403">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1354" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:24125">moiv</a>, <a linkindex="1355" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101566">geejay</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>It depends on who the theorists are whether they are accepted or not, doesn't it? It's who you are, not what you know. For instance, no centrist and few liberals would ever think of even questioning, much less scrutinizing, "conspiracy theories" that come from the police.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1356" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69304">ActivistGuy</a> on <a linkindex="1357" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/403#c403">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:15:21 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1358" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c329">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c666"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Good sig line</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1359" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/666?mode=alone;showrate=1#c666">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1360" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1361" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/666#c666">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:35:21 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1362" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c403">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c226"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Totally disagree!</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1363" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/226?mode=alone;showrate=1#c226">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1364" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1365" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p> While I disagree with any premature conclusion, I do see enough here to make me wonder.<br /> Unlike the misinformation propagated by the wingnuts against Barack and Michelle Obama, I don't see an organized attempt here to smear anyone, or to deliberately tell lies about a candidate and her family.<br /> If treated as what it is now, an unproven hypothesis<br />based on facts that have an odd sound and feel, and pictures which tend to add <em>possible</em> visual corroboration, it is merely a matter that merits further examination.<br /> I see nothing to fear in discussing all of this, so long as we reserve judgment, and do not state unproven matters as fact.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1366" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="1367" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/226#c226">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:26:05 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1368" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c140">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c271"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It's already been decided.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1369" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/271?mode=alone;showrate=1#c271">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1370" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6921">musing85</a>, <a linkindex="1371" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>This is not a matter that is appropriate to discuss on a blog that is supposed to be about electing Democrats.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1372" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1373" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1374" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/271#c271">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:35:36 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1375" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c226">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c390"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Have you ever read Ibsen's play</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1376" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/390?mode=alone;showrate=1#c390">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p> <em> Enemy of the People</em>?</p> <p> Who exactly decided this?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1377" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="1378" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/390#c390">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:12:31 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1379" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c271">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c466"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It has definitely been decided that</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1380" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/466?mode=alone;showrate=1#c466">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1381" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Obama will be president. Let's save the time and money of that silly election...for it has been decided, decreed and so it will be.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1382" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a> on <a linkindex="1383" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/466#c466">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:50:16 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1384" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c390">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c489"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Georgia10 and Meteor Blades.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1385" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/489?mode=alone;showrate=1#c489">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Take it up with them.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1386" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1387" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1388" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/489#c489">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:06:41 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1389" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c390">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c502"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Perhaps I will</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1390" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/502?mode=alone;showrate=1#c502">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1391" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p> I'm not sure how to contact them though, but I do believe people here are being a bit skittish on this one. Me, I like to think for myself, and speak for myself.<br /> And in a way, the skittishness puts me in mind of of Congresspeople who we so bitterly criticized for not standing up to the "president" on the War, FISA, and such, out of similar fears.<br /> I'm not convinced by any means about this story, but I do NOT fear discussing it.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1392" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="1393" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/502#c502">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:24:21 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1394" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c489">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c509"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">On the side:</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1395" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/509?mode=alone;showrate=1#c509">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1396" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:23611">ksh01</a>, <a linkindex="1397" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>There is a Contact Us link. But I will say that even georgia10 admitted that it was bizarre and that there was nothing wrong with discussing it -- just jumping to premature conclusions like "PALIN FAKES PREGNANCY!" So, you and her seem to be on the same page.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1398" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1399" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1400" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/509#c509">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:30:05 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1401" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c502">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c521"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Yes, I agree with her point of view exactly!</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1402" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/521?mode=alone;showrate=1#c521">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1403" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p> And thank you!</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1404" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a> on <a linkindex="1405" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/521#c521">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:44:03 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1406" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c509">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c618"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">speaking for myself</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1407" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/618?mode=alone;showrate=1#c618">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1408" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:14304">polecat</a>, <a linkindex="1409" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a>, <a linkindex="1410" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101566">geejay</a>, <a linkindex="1411" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>and only for myself, as I always have on this matter, I do not see a problem discussing the circumstances surrounding Palin's behavior re: the pregnancy, or asking questions. I will be the first to admit that going into labor and deciding to give a speech rather than go to the hospital may raise questions of judgment.</p> <p>The problem was recommending a diary that stated, conclusively, that the the child was not Palin's but belonged to her 16 yr old daughter. That conclusions, presented as definitive and iron-clad, was entirely inappropriate for the rec list, I think.</p> <p>But discussing the topic generally, or dealing with the questions relating to the bizarre circumstances surrounding the story in a responsible manner-that's fine, I think, and indeed, is what blogs are all about. Peddling rumor as definitive fact though? That <em>shouldn't</em> be what we are about.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1412" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:28416">georgia10</a> on <a linkindex="1413" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/618#c618">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:47:05 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1414" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c509">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c623"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">That's actually a defensible line in the sand.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1415" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/623?mode=alone;showrate=1#c623">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1416" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Treat it as <em>alleged,</em> show the evidence that there is (from both or as many sides as you can find) and permit the reader to come to his/her own conclusions.</p> <p>And above all, understand and state the difference between fact and <em>opinion</em>.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Happy little moron, Lucky little man.<br />I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!<br /><sup>-Spike Milligan</sup></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1417" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:14304">polecat</a> on <a linkindex="1418" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/623#c623">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:50:18 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1419" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c618">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c651"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Thanks, and I agree.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1420" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/651?mode=alone;showrate=1#c651">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>There was another recommended diary about this that purported to show Palin pregnant, yet it turns out that it was taken in August, when the baby was born in April. It was traced back to a Flicker post which had a "Press Secretary McAllister" in it along with the governor, yet there was no such person there until August. So, neither that photo, nor the diarist's photos tell me anything. All of this is a matter of peoples' subjective judgments at this point.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1421" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1422" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1423" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/651#c651">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:49:51 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1424" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c618">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c412"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I remember not too long ago</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1425" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/412?mode=alone;showrate=1#c412">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1426" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:58740">western star</a>, <a linkindex="1427" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1428" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>any mention of John Edwards having had an affair was similarly greeted here. Closed minds often make their owners end up looking, well, not so good, particularly in a medium which purports to be about the dissemination of unfiltered information.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1429" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69304">ActivistGuy</a> on <a linkindex="1430" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/412#c412">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:17:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1431" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c271">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c472"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">There was no way we could look into the truth</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="1432" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/472?mode=alone;showrate=1#c472">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>or lies around the story of the affair, not unless one of us was a person involved or close to one. All we had was the NE story, that was it. Not that the clues in this one are definitive, but at least there are some.</p> <p>I can see why it wasn't a topic to talk about.<br />I wish it had been a lie.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1433" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19024">joynow</a> on <a linkindex="1434" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/472#c472">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:54:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1435" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c412">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c290"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">This diarist as every right to post here. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1436" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/290?mode=alone;showrate=1#c290">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1437" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="1438" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60285">mph2005</a>, <a linkindex="1439" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1440" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:102938">sldulin</a>, <a linkindex="1441" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145366">leftneck</a>, <a linkindex="1442" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:155049">How Insane Is John McCain</a>, <a linkindex="1443" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a>, <a linkindex="1444" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a>, <a linkindex="1445" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:174964">ChiTownBlue2000</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>The story is very plausible. Lets see where further investigation leads.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1446" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:161229">Voodoo king</a> on <a linkindex="1447" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/290#c290">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:40:58 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1448" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c140">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c309"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Ja vol Herr Commandant!!</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1449" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/309?mode=alone;showrate=1#c309">1+ / 2-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1450" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> </dd><dt>Hidden by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1451" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a>, <a linkindex="1452" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Und zen ve must line zem up and shoot zem!!!!</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1453" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1454" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/309#c309">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:45:03 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1455" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c140">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c336"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Totally uncalled for</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1456" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/336?mode=alone;showrate=1#c336">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1457" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60080">MajorFlaw</a>, <a linkindex="1458" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:118936">alasmoses</a>, <a linkindex="1459" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1460" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="1461" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/336#c336">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:52:00 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1462" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c309">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c368"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">No, what's uncalled for is censorship. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1463" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/368?mode=alone;showrate=1#c368">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1464" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6472">RonV</a>, <a linkindex="1465" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35274">Oy the Billybumbler</a>, <a linkindex="1466" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1467" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Intelligent people can make up their minds without banning something so other people don't get to think for themselves. I was mocking the jackboot of the commenter who felt they alone possessed the judgement to ban somebody...rings a little of book-burning to me. I stand by my Ja-Vol.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1468" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1469" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/368#c368">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:02:31 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1470" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c336">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c375"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">And the admins have already denounced this diary </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1471" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/375?mode=alone;showrate=1#c375">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1472" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1473" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:60080">MajorFlaw</a>, <a linkindex="1474" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a>, <a linkindex="1475" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145359">Libertaria</a>, <a linkindex="1476" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>topic.</p> <p>This is the second time this diarist has posted the same crap - bannable offense.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1477" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:67068">PatsBard</a> on <a linkindex="1478" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/375#c375">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:06:47 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1479" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c368">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c389"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well, I mock them too then. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1480" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/389?mode=alone;showrate=1#c389">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1481" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Merely having the title of administrator doesn't make someone right. They undoubtedly may ban anyone they want, but the diary raises questions. If the questions are easily dispelled, then truth is the greatest disinfectant. If not -- I remember well the Edwards fiasco, and believe me -- a lot of folks around here had egg on their faces after swearing it was gutter politics only to see that a) it mattered and b) it was true. This could mean the election. And the election could decide life or death. So hide behind your righteousness, but I'm quite comfortable saying to ANYONE that there is no crime in asking a question. And if Dkos should be ashamed, it should be ashamed of censoring entire TOPICS, not individual words or comments.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1482" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1483" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/389#c389">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1484" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c375">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c421"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Diarist has developed an immunity to truth.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="1485" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/421?mode=alone;showrate=1#c421">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>And having the title of administrator <em>does</em> make them right, by definition (unless Kos steps in). What they say goes, period.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1486" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1487" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/421#c421">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:19:27 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1488" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c389">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c461"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Truth hasn't been established, </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1489" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/461?mode=alone;showrate=1#c461">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>but apparently a distasteful question is unaskable regardless of the answer. Be proud.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1490" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1491" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/461#c461">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:45:49 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1492" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c421">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c475"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">People aren't just asking questions.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1493" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/475?mode=alone;showrate=1#c475">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>They're posting utter bullshit, complete with lies about when photos were taken, fabrications about mononucleosis, etc. Whether the diarists involved are themselves lying or are merely repeating lies, they are clearly not demonstrating due diligence in the matter (and a <em>lot</em> of diligence is due here).</p> <p>Besides, people are forgetting that if this story is true <em>it may well only help Palin</em>. Many fundies will <em>applaud</em> her for protecting her daughter from embarrassment after having made her go through with the pregnancy (rather than arrange an abortion). And honestly, I have to say I'm not even sure I disagree — to live one's beliefs in such a difficult situation is in fact admirable.</p> <p>And don't forget that Obama was also born out of wedlock, a fact that hasn't been mentioned much explicitly. We may want to leave that hornet's nest alone altogether.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1494" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1495" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/475#c475">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:57:32 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1496" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c461">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c506"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">This pseudo-scandal/rumor goes directly </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1497" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/506?mode=alone;showrate=1#c506">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1498" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42206">Gorestro</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>to the heart of her prime qualification. She was most assuredly NOT chosen for her experience. Her own pandering to Clinton voters indicates that issues will not be the focus of her raison d'etre. The one, the ONLY issue here and the reason she was put forth as "exactly" who we need in the (possible) white house (other than her gender, which although admirable would qualify over half the population as a sole criterium) is her judgement and character. Whichever 'truth' is correct in this matter, the facts...the questions are important in evaluating both her judgement and character. While the fundies may love her regardless, the American people don't like liars. Even if she's not a liar, she can only but lose votes by having wider exposure of the bizarre circumstances of the birth -- who among the people you know would ADMIRE her for dripping amniotic fluid for 22 hours on a cross-continental iditarod with the full information she had both a problem fetus and a premature labor?</p> <p>It would be ridiculous to give this story a pass.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1499" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1500" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/506#c506">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:28:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1501" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c475">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c517"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Nobody would see her as a liar for it,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1502" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/517?mode=alone;showrate=1#c517">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1503" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:37096">dufffbeer</a>, <a linkindex="1504" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>especially after the spin machine is done with the story. I mean, if you ask people whether it's okay to lie in order to protect your daughter, you'll get a whole lot of HELL YES.</p> <p>And actually, if the circumstances of the birth actually <em>are</em> a legitimate issue (about which I'm not convinced), making a big deal of whose baby it is will only cover for that. Debunked scandals have a way of immunizing one against related scandals (think Fontgate).</p> <p>(BTW, much as I appreciate that you know that <em>criteria</em> is plural, the singular is actually <em>criterion</em>. Carry on :-) )</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1505" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1506" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/517#c517">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:39:26 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1507" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c506">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c541"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Crap. Criterion. Damns.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1508" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/541?mode=alone;showrate=1#c541">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Doubt that the coverup would be a net positive as you suggest, in any event -- it would be a distraction, and that is a victory in the PR wars. In fact, I think this whole thing is glorious in as much as it steals the narrative which is tantamount to running out the clock -- when you do that, victory goes to the guy who was ahead before you changed the subject.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1509" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1510" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/541#c541">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:56:39 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1511" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c517">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c543"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">A distraction is *good* for them.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1512" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/543?mode=alone;showrate=1#c543">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1513" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>They need as many shiny objects as they can get to distract people from thinking about what the last eight years have done to America.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1514" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1515" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/543#c543">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1516" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c541">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c552"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Distractions are only good when you're ahead. n/t</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1517" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/552?mode=alone;showrate=1#c552">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1518" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1519" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/552#c552">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:04:04 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1520" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c543">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c554"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">How?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1521" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/554?mode=alone;showrate=1#c554">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>If you're ahead, you don't want to distract from whatever is putting you ahead. A distraction serves to change the narrative.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1522" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1523" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/554#c554">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:04:55 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1524" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c552">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c567"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Newtonian physics</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="1525" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/567?mode=alone;showrate=1#c567">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>a tangential force can't move you backward or forward....the race freezes while everyone searches the woods for the missing white woman (or whatever).</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1526" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a linkindex="1527" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/567#c567">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:18:33 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1528" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c554">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c564"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">These "Distractions"</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1529" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/564?mode=alone;showrate=1#c564">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>happen to be a young girl and a baby.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1530" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> on <a linkindex="1531" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/564#c564">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1532" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c552">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c570"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well, that is unfortunate. </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1533" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/570?mode=alone;showrate=1#c570">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>But then again it's even more unfortunate that they were initially brought in as props by their mother (and the baby's story made an essential qualifying part of her "character" and judgement, vis a vis pro-life, walking the walk, etc.)</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">--------<br />McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1534" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13376">PBJ Diddy</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1535" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/570#c570">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1536" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c564">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c577"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Why not wait</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="1537" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/577?mode=alone;showrate=1#c577">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>For this to, at least, reach the level of the <em>National Enquirer</em> before we pursue this any further?</p> <p>After all, isn't this an example of making this election about "little things"?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1538" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1539" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/577#c577">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:26:23 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1540" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c570">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c617"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">First, Obama WAS born in wedlock.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1541" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/617?mode=alone;showrate=1#c617">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>He was CONCEIVED out of wedlock.</p> <p>There is a difference. Be accurate.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Happy little moron, Lucky little man.<br />I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!<br /><sup>-Spike Milligan</sup></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1542" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:14304">polecat</a> on <a linkindex="1543" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/617#c617">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1544" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c475">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c669"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Diarist is posting plain evidence</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1545" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/669?mode=alone;showrate=1#c669">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>so it's kind of funny to see you say the DIARIST has developed an immunity to truth. And the title of administrator doesn't make them right, it makes them have powers. Wise? I disagreed on Stranahan banning but Georgia10 above drew a reasonable line in the sand for this case, and here we are still seeing this diary and commenting, God bless. Of interest, Stranahan posted a blog on Huffington Post where he says DKos is running off with a bad story here as opposed to his good story that he was banned for. I throw my hands up in the air. PBJ Diddy said it best above you.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1546" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1547" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/669#c669">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:58:43 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1548" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c421">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c562"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Respectfully Disagree</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1549" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/562?mode=alone;showrate=1#c562">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>CT Diaries are not allowed, for example. I believe that the FAQ insists that <em>fantastic claims require fantastic evidence</em>, or some sort of verbiage.</p> <p>I think this topic crosses the border in that it attempts to draw-in two "innocent by-standers" as collateral damage- that is the two youngsters.</p> <p>I am very comfortable allowing a raising the bar for tolerance when it comes to the candidates families- especially the children.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1550" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> on <a linkindex="1551" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/562#c562">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:14:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1552" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c389">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c417"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Can you shoot me a link</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1553" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/417?mode=alone;showrate=1#c417">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1554" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25329">oslo</a>, <a linkindex="1555" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>to Admin finally saying something about this? Many of us have openly commented that there has been a serious lack of Admin on this subject and I've seen nothing on the front page about it, either. Then again, I stayed off this site all day today, on purpose, out of disgust for this shit.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"> What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast? </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1556" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a> on <a linkindex="1557" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/417#c417">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:18:57 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1558" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c375">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c425"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Georgia10 posted a rather stern "suggestion"</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1559" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/425?mode=alone;showrate=1#c425">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1560" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1561" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:69193">VolvoDrivingLiberal</a>, <a linkindex="1562" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a>, <a linkindex="1563" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>that everyone unrec the diary entry that made the rec list.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1564" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1565" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/425#c425">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:20:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1566" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c417">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c429"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I'm glad to hear it</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1567" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/429?mode=alone;showrate=1#c429">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1568" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1569" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a>, <a linkindex="1570" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>but I'd really, really like to see something a bit more than that come from Admin. This site look stupid and second rate, at this point. Then again, if Kos doesn't mind losing his credibility, why should I care?</p> <p>Appreciate the link below. Thanks for that, Jyrinx.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"> What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast? </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1571" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a> on <a linkindex="1572" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/429#c429">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:22:12 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1573" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c425">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c436"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I dunno, Georgia sounded pretty serious.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1574" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/436?mode=alone;showrate=1#c436">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1575" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1576" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a>, <a linkindex="1577" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>There was definitely an implication that further measures are imminent.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1578" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1579" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/436#c436">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:25:48 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1580" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c429">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c450"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Yeah, I think you are reading her right.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1581" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/450?mode=alone;showrate=1#c450">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1582" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1583" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a>, <a linkindex="1584" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>I just followed your link and I really want to applaud her for stepping up. <strong>Good on her.</strong></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"> What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast? </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1585" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a> on <a linkindex="1586" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/450#c450">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:32 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1587" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c436">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c519"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I would certainly hope so</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1588" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/519?mode=alone;showrate=1#c519">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1589" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Check out what the diary resulted in:</p> <p><img src="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/317/drudgepalinbabytx5.jpg" /></p> <p>A headline spot on Drudge Report linking directly to the first diary. Pathetic.</p> <p>This diarist is now responsible for a lot of people who have never even heard of DailyKos now thinking of it as a complete tabloid trash site. Great first impression to give millions of people.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1590" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1591" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1592" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="1593" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/519#c519">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:40:27 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1594" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c436">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c529"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">GODDAMN IT.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1595" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/529?mode=alone;showrate=1#c529">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1596" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>If nothing else, <em>this</em> is why we need a Smite button. Nasty comments can get hidden, and this gives us cover. Nasty diaries, not so much.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1597" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1598" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/529#c529">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1599" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c519">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c535"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">It gets much worse</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a set="yes" linkindex="1600" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/535?mode=alone;showrate=1#c535">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1601" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>ksh01 just <a linkindex="1602" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/29/155145/681/382#c382">posted</a> that Perez Hilton has reported it at his site. I went over to check it out and not only is it posted as "YOU MUST READ THIS!" but it is now the #1 most emailed post at perezhilton.com</p> <p>Unbelievable. Why is this diarist not banned after this repeat performance?</p> <p>The perezhilton post isn't subtle either. </p> <blockquote> <p><strong>You Must...</strong><br />Filed under: Etc.</p> <p><strong>Click HERE!<br />Click HERE!<br />Click HERE!<br />Click HERE!<br />Click HERE!<br />Click HERE!</strong><br />Posted: August 31, 2008 at 4:18 pm </p> </blockquote> <p>Drudge + PerezHilton = Millions of readers</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1603" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1604" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1605" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="1606" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/535#c535">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:53:03 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1607" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c529">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c536"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">perezhilton link</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1608" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/536?mode=alone;showrate=1#c536">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p><a linkindex="1609" href="http://perezhilton.com/2008-08-31-you-must-39">http://perezhilton.com/...</a></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1610" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1611" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1612" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1613" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/536#c536">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:54:02 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1614" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c535">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c540"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well, that's not exactly seen as a kingmaker</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1615" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/540?mode=alone;showrate=1#c540">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1616" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>of news stories the way Drudge is, is it?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1617" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1618" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/540#c540">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:55:47 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1619" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c535">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c542"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">politically speaking? no, not political at all</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1620" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/542?mode=alone;showrate=1#c542">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1621" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>It's an extremely popular site though with a very high readership. I'd say it could be even worse than Drudge linking because the percentage of people at PH who are familiar with DKos is probably much lower than Drudge by far. So this will be a first impression of DailyKos for a lot of people.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1622" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a set="yes" linkindex="1623" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1624" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="1625" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/542#c542">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:58:24 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1626" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c540">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c546"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">But will that crowd</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1627" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/546?mode=alone;showrate=1#c546">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1628" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>be as likely to see the story as something reflecting negatively on us? I mean, absent an outrage machine, I should think low-info types would eat this sort of rumormongering up …</p> <p>Also, a post containing nothing but the words "CLICK HERE" is certainly framing it as a credible story, which is much different from the Drudge "lefty bloggers" treatment.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1629" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1630" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/546#c546">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:01:29 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1631" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c542">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c555"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I don't think Perez is worried about how any </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1632" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/555?mode=alone;showrate=1#c555">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1633" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>story is framed. He lives for pushing gossip as fact.</p> <p>The saving grace with that crowd though is as you imply, they will definitely eat it up and it's most likely a more liberal readership.</p> <p>Regardless, between Drudge and PerezHilton, that's a shitload of people who will see complete rumor reported as absolute fact BY DailyKos as most of those people won't know the difference between a diarist reporting it and the site itself reporting it. Hell, Drudge is attributing it to Kos himself by his headline. The "lefty bloggers" headline is linked to a post by Amanda Carpenter at Townhall.com.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1634" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1635" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1636" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1637" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/555#c555">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:05:19 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1638" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c546">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c558"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Yeah, Drudge is more worrisome.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1639" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/558?mode=alone;showrate=1#c558">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1640" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>(BTW, that's what I meant by "framing" — I guess I meant more in the sense of "presenting" than "spinning.")</p> <p>Another mitigating factor with PerezHilton would I imagine be that if he's that big a rumormonger he probably links to <em>lots</em> of different sites of varying credibility all the time. Seems just as likely people will forget about Daily Kos tomorrow when he finds another shiny object to throw toward them.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1641" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1642" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/558#c558">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1643" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c555">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c568"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The damage won't be longlasting or </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1644" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/568?mode=alone;showrate=1#c568">1+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1645" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>widespread but the problem is that there shouldn't have had to be damage to this site to begin with.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1646" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1647" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1648" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a set="yes" linkindex="1649" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/568#c568">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1650" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c558">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c547"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The irony of the PerezHilton link to the diary</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1651" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/547?mode=alone;showrate=1#c547">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>is that this is the type of story that PerezHilton and his ilk are known for. Pure tabloid trash, gossip, etc... he's been sued several times.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1652" href="http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/">John McCain</a> | <a linkindex="1653" href="http://therealmccain.com/">John McCain</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1654" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> on <a linkindex="1655" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/547#c547">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:02:00 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1656" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c542">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c427"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">And here's the link:</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1657" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/427?mode=alone;showrate=1#c427">3+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1658" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20677">anotherCt Dem</a>, <a linkindex="1659" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:75268">Pager</a>, <a linkindex="1660" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157201">Lauren S</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p><a linkindex="1661" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/30/121350/137/647#c647">http://www.dailykos.com/...</a></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him … </p><p><em>Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.</em></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1662" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157747">Jyrinx</a> on <a linkindex="1663" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/427#c427">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:21:14 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1664" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c417">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c538"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Uprated</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1665" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/538?mode=alone;showrate=1#c538">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Realistically, this did not need to be hidden. It really is just a Meta argument. </p> <p>A bit off-key humor, but not, but any stretch of the imagination, deserving to be hidden, at least by my understanding of the FAQ.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1666" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:101145">Poor Grunt</a> on <a linkindex="1667" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/538#c538">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:54:22 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1668" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c309">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c665"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I really think you're crazy and overreaching</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1669" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/665?mode=alone;showrate=1#c665">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>MHO.</p> <p>The diarist is substantiating his or her claims with photographs, videos and published news accounts, and the subject of Palin's truthfulness and judgment is legitimate and widely discussed, as it should be. If it's true, she didn't have to lie, she could have simply adopted openly. If it's not true, she could debunk like Obama did when there were rumors that he wasn't a natural-born citizen--put up a debunking website and post evidence. Instead evidence is disappearing. You don't have to read this diary or scroll deeply through the comments. And you don't have to hijack this information away from others who can handle the truth. You think we look awful for discussing this? I think we look awful for all the rec'd comments calling for censorship. We apparently want a nanny state after all.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1670" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1671" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/665#c665">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:33:20 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1672" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c140">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c302"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">what I can never figure out is all these</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1673" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/302?mode=alone;showrate=1#c302">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1674" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1675" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:133198">Scubaval</a>, <a linkindex="1676" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:157652">bronxcharlie</a>, <a linkindex="1677" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>people who are so utterly disgusted by a diary's subject----why are they reading it? Why don't they just skip it and move on down the road. <br /> The subject matter was evident from the diary's title. How can you be so shocked and offended. Don't read it if it is so offensive. Look down the list and find one you like.<br /> That's what I do----there's plenty I avoid, by the subject alone. Will save all this need to type words of disgust.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1678" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:112772">dotster</a> on <a linkindex="1679" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/302#c302">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:42:59 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1680" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c414"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Because ultimately it isn't about the diary</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1681" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/414?mode=alone;showrate=1#c414">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1682" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1683" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>It's about the site. Is this the kind of crap we want this place to be known for all across the intertoobz?</p> <p>I think not.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Michael<br /><a linkindex="1684" href="http://musing85.typepad.com/">Musing's musings</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1685" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6921">musing85</a> on <a linkindex="1686" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/414#c414">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:17:56 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1687" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c302">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c676"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I like it</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1688" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/676?mode=alone;showrate=1#c676">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>Here's why:</p> <p>Because any schmuck can do the work, gather the evidence, piece a puzzle together from bits of reality and post it. Then any other schmuck can find more evidence and shoot a hole through the first one, or back it up. It's active critical collaborative thinking, not passive lapping of pablum. It's firing on all cylinders. It's fearless curiosity. I don't have to depend on the MSM transcribing Rove's talking points. This is how we pour water on Rove. Said hideously: "I'm melting, I'm melting! All my beautiful wickedness!" Such music to ponder.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1689" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1690" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/676#c676">Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:30:19 AM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1691" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c414">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c551"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">The Mat-Su Regional Site no longer available.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1692" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/551?mode=alone;showrate=1#c551">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>I was looking on the site at the list of births on April 18, and suddenly it was gone.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1693" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:158339">draba</a> on <a linkindex="1694" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/551#c551">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:03:49 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1695" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c1">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c2"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Good diary Mr. Hannity</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1696" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/2?mode=alone;showrate=1#c2">24+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1697" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1698" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8792">jkennerl</a>, <a linkindex="1699" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42093">pat208</a>, <a linkindex="1700" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1701" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:70595">Slartibartfast</a>, <a linkindex="1702" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="1703" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82898">christomento</a>, <a linkindex="1704" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:84154">AntKat</a>, <a linkindex="1705" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1706" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:87342">Randall Sherman</a>, <a linkindex="1707" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88267">jessical</a>, <a linkindex="1708" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:99242">Theden</a>, <a linkindex="1709" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:132399">ludwig van brickoven</a>, <a linkindex="1710" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1711" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:145359">Libertaria</a>, <a linkindex="1712" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="1713" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154706">BA BarackUS</a>, <a linkindex="1714" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156218">Dougie</a>, <a linkindex="1715" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159364">Junah</a>, <a linkindex="1716" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a>, <a linkindex="1717" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1718" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164921">gougef</a>, <a linkindex="1719" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165804">ahyums</a>, <a linkindex="1720" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">If your diary is shorter than a Jeff Foxworthy joke....it might be a comment.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1721" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154642">ford prefect 2</a> on <a linkindex="1722" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/2#c2">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:00 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c48"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">More likely Mr. Rove</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1723" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/48?mode=alone;showrate=1#c48">9+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1724" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1725" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1726" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:65896">trashablanca</a>, <a linkindex="1727" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1728" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1729" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156218">Dougie</a>, <a linkindex="1730" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a>, <a linkindex="1731" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1732" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>This is too clever by half for Mr. Hannity.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1733" href="http://tinyurl.com/ysu7kw">This</a> nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (<a linkindex="1734" href="http://tinyurl.com/2ckxso">Source</a>)</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1735" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6437">GreenSooner</a> on <a linkindex="1736" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/48#c48">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:50:40 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1737" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c2">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c3"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Please stop.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1738" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/3?mode=alone;showrate=1#c3">32+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1739" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1740" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8792">jkennerl</a>, <a linkindex="1741" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:19806">EricS</a>, <a linkindex="1742" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1743" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42093">pat208</a>, <a linkindex="1744" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:51280">claytonben</a>, <a linkindex="1745" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61752">Rogneid</a>, <a linkindex="1746" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:65896">trashablanca</a>, <a linkindex="1747" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="1748" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:72075">prodigal</a>, <a linkindex="1749" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:74890">DJShay</a>, <a linkindex="1750" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76686">middleagedhousewife</a>, <a linkindex="1751" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82275">RickBoston</a>, <a linkindex="1752" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:84154">AntKat</a>, <a linkindex="1753" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1754" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88267">jessical</a>, <a linkindex="1755" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1756" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:111397">condorcet</a>, <a linkindex="1757" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:129844">bad dad</a>, <a linkindex="1758" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:132399">ludwig van brickoven</a>, <a linkindex="1759" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1760" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143636">AikoAdam</a>, <a linkindex="1761" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153613">flahawkfan</a>, <a linkindex="1762" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a>, <a linkindex="1763" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154706">BA BarackUS</a>, <a linkindex="1764" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156218">Dougie</a>, <a linkindex="1765" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:159364">Junah</a>, <a linkindex="1766" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1767" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165641">ilves</a>, <a linkindex="1768" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:165804">ahyums</a>, <a linkindex="1769" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a>, <a linkindex="1770" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:171875">The Defenestrator</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Please. This is NONE OF OUR GODDAMN BUSINESS.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1771" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> on <a linkindex="1772" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/3#c3">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:02 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c35"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Something tells me please isn't going stop this </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1773" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/35?mode=alone;showrate=1#c35">8+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1774" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1775" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61752">Rogneid</a>, <a linkindex="1776" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1777" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88267">jessical</a>, <a linkindex="1778" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1779" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1780" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143636">AikoAdam</a>, <a linkindex="1781" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>crusade.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">The press thinks being fair and balanced means if a comment is made about the pleasant smell of roses, not forgetting to talk up the smell of shit.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1782" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:174348">Dungeon Dwelling Dragon</a> on <a linkindex="1783" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/35#c35">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:46:46 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1784" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c3">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c43"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well something tells me</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1785" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/43?mode=alone;showrate=1#c43">13+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1786" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6437">GreenSooner</a>, <a linkindex="1787" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1788" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1789" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61752">Rogneid</a>, <a linkindex="1790" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:84154">AntKat</a>, <a linkindex="1791" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1792" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88267">jessical</a>, <a linkindex="1793" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1794" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a>, <a linkindex="1795" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:156218">Dougie</a>, <a linkindex="1796" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a>, <a linkindex="1797" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:174348">Dungeon Dwelling Dragon</a>, <a linkindex="1798" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:175537">DClayton</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>That this diarist's days are numbered. And I won't shed a fucking tear over it.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1799" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> on <a linkindex="1800" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/43#c43">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:48:31 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1801" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c35">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c73"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">my hunch is that the same folks from the muslim </span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1802" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/73?mode=alone;showrate=1#c73">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1803" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1804" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>smear are working on this b/c their candidate was snubbed for VP, is the same crap time and time again, regular kossacks would have stopped (and did) at the first dozen HR's</p> <p>Please folks let somebody else do this dirty job.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1805" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:150213">IamTheJudge</a> on <a linkindex="1806" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/73#c73">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:55:56 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1807" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c43">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c173"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">I'm always suspicious</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1808" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/173?mode=alone;showrate=1#c173">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1809" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:41370">cartwrightdale</a>, <a linkindex="1810" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1811" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88267">jessical</a>, <a linkindex="1812" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1813" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>of usernames with a name followed by numbers (makes it easy to remember all your multiple puppets), but with a UID of 35535, if ArcXIX is a stealth registration they certainly waited for awhile.</p> <p>However, you can tell they know they have a target on their back if they don't leave a comment in their own diary.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.<br />We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.<br />Oh, also when they eat brains.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1814" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:13609">Ugluks Flea</a> on <a linkindex="1815" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/173#c173">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:15:06 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1816" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c43">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c679"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">New user "ApersandPilcrow" posted new youtube</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1817" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/679?mode=alone;showrate=1#c679">0+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="ct"> <p>on Bristol theory yesterday. Much the same info as in the first diary. He talks you through the evidence. "I report. You decide." (Yeah, who are you?) Maybe that's him.</p> <p><a linkindex="1818" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBjwZ93n6Q">http://www.youtube.com/...</a></p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1819" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a> on <a linkindex="1820" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/679#c679">Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:37:30 AM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1821" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c173">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c100"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Nor should it until it is proven wrong</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1822" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/100?mode=alone;showrate=1#c100">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1823" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:45762">Lizzie Jane</a>, <a linkindex="1824" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:82309">thatvisionthing</a>, <a linkindex="1825" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:85190">SmilingPolitely</a>, <a linkindex="1826" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:116838">elwior</a>, <a linkindex="1827" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160293">Diesel Kitty</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>then there should be apology and contrition.</p> <p>Really, how could Sarah Palin a person in the public eye go to term and the people around her not know she was pregnant? Arn't you the least bit curious?</p> <p>If she is the grandmother claiming to be the mother, then that should be known. What else is she lying about? If you don't think a lie like that from a vice presidential candidate is relevant then I don't she why you would care who is elected.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"The owners of this country know the truth: its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1828" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:136169">Gregory Wonderwheel</a> on <a linkindex="1829" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/100#c100">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:01:35 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1830" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c35">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c106"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">You have it all backwards.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1831" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/106?mode=alone;showrate=1#c106">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1832" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1833" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1834" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="1835" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1836" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a>, <a linkindex="1837" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:169948">Obliterati</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>You, the accuser, have to prove that Ms. Palin faked her pregnancy. And all we have at this point is this diarist's conjecture.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig"><a linkindex="1838" href="http://eternalhope.blog-city.com/">Conservatism is Dead!</a></p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1839" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a> on <a linkindex="1840" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/106#c106">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:02:33 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1841" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c100">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c178"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Well, more than that,</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1842" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/178?mode=alone;showrate=1#c178">4+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1843" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:17872">Eternal Hope</a>, <a linkindex="1844" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1845" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1846" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>We're holding her daughter's photos up to the light, like we're doing a photo spread on "Celebrity Bikini Disasters!" for <em>US</em> magazine.</p> <p>Even if we <em>could</em> definitively prove this story... would we really learn as much about Palin as we would about ourselves? About how low we're willing to sink into the mire?</p> <p>Really, people... we're better than this.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1847" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:955">Dale</a> on <a linkindex="1848" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/178#c178">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:16:10 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1849" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c106">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li><li id="c143"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Because</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1850" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/143?mode=alone;showrate=1#c143">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1851" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:18328">dc 20005</a>, <a linkindex="1852" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a>, <a linkindex="1853" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1854" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:71573">Albatross</a>, <a linkindex="1855" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:111397">condorcet</a>, <a linkindex="1856" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:164012">Lost and Found</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>We are the party that respects the unique and personal decisions that families have to make.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1857" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a> on <a linkindex="1858" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/143#c143">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:07 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1859" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c100">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c4"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Why do you hate hope?</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1860" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/4?mode=alone;showrate=1#c4">8+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1861" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42093">pat208</a>, <a linkindex="1862" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:61752">Rogneid</a>, <a linkindex="1863" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:86112">pgm 01</a>, <a linkindex="1864" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:107216">willb48</a>, <a linkindex="1865" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1866" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:143254">BoiseBlue</a>, <a linkindex="1867" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153967">Flyswatterbanjo</a>, <a linkindex="1868" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">There is no Left Wing. Left is the truth. </p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1869" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154706">BA BarackUS</a> on <a linkindex="1870" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/4#c4">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:26 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c5"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Hmmm!</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1871" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/5?mode=alone;showrate=1#c5">2+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1872" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:149204">Fixed Point Theorem</a>, <a linkindex="1873" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154706">BA BarackUS</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1874" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:172070">Courtneys Mom</a> on <a linkindex="1875" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/5#c5">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c6"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Deja Vu? Same diarist as yesterday that was</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1876" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/6?mode=alone;showrate=1#c6">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1877" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:6437">GreenSooner</a>, <a linkindex="1878" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1879" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35947">Catte Nappe</a>, <a linkindex="1880" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42093">pat208</a>, <a linkindex="1881" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:50927">daulton</a>, <a linkindex="1882" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>deleted.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">"Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot."</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1883" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160401">Gramarye</a> on <a linkindex="1884" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/6#c6">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:32 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c11"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">No, it wasn't</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1885" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/11?mode=alone;showrate=1#c11">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1886" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:20838">sxp151</a>, <a linkindex="1887" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:88578">SomeStones</a>, <a linkindex="1888" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1889" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a>, <a linkindex="1890" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:160943">robertacker13</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">In God we trust. All others must pay cash.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1891" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:34365">yet another liberal</a> on <a linkindex="1892" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/11#c11">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:59 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1893" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c6">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c19"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Pulled from the rec list; not deleted.</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1894" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/19?mode=alone;showrate=1#c19">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1895" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1896" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:35947">Catte Nappe</a>, <a linkindex="1897" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:44149">John3</a>, <a linkindex="1898" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1899" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:154145">DaNang65</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>Diaries rarely are deleted.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Notice: This Comment © ROGNM</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1900" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:2547">ROGNM</a> on <a linkindex="1901" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/19#c19">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:44:35 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1902" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c6">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> <ul class="cm i1"><li id="c34"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">And it was just unrecc'ed</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1903" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/34?mode=alone;showrate=1#c34">5+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1904" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1905" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:25167">Casey</a>, <a linkindex="1906" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:65171">elliott</a>, <a linkindex="1907" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:76686">middleagedhousewife</a>, <a linkindex="1908" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>At georgia's request.</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">In God we trust. All others must pay cash.</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1909" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:34365">yet another liberal</a> on <a linkindex="1910" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/34#c34">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:46:41 PM PDT</a></p> <p class="cl">[ <a linkindex="1911" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332#c19">Parent</a> ] </p> </div> </div> </li></ul> </li></ul> </li><li id="c7"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">Probably going to be banned</span> <span class="crd ntb">(<a linkindex="1912" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/7?mode=alone;showrate=1#c7">6+ / 0-</a>)</span></h3> <div class="crs"><dl><dt>Recommended by:</dt><dd> <a linkindex="1913" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:8124">mattman</a>, <a linkindex="1914" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:42093">pat208</a>, <a linkindex="1915" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:44149">John3</a>, <a linkindex="1916" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:121041">CC Music Factory</a>, <a linkindex="1917" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:135680">mamamarti</a>, <a linkindex="1918" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:153926">Anarchofascist</a> </dd></dl></div> <div class="ct"> <p>You've already put it out there.</p> <p>Can't you just let this run its course.?</p> </div> <div class="cf"> <p class="sig">Notice: This Comment © ROGNM</p> <p class="cb">by <a linkindex="1919" href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:2547">ROGNM</a> on <a linkindex="1920" href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/31/145838/319/7#c7">Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:42 PM PDT</a></p> </div> </div> </li><li id="c8"><div class="cx"> <h3> <a class="de"> </a><span class="cu">.</span> </h3></div></li></ul><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-51052228098443998282008-08-30T22:38:00.002-05:002008-08-30T22:46:41.337-05:00Who'd have thought McCain's VP choice would Palin comparison to Obama'sSo the news is out... John McCain shocked the political cognoscenti and gave a hot-yet-chaste wet mouth kiss to the Religious Right and the NRA with his dramatic selection of first-term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his choice to be a heartbeat away from the power to invoke thermonuclear holocaust.<br /><br />Wow.<br /><br />Now that's "maverick".<br /><br />Or you could call it, "whacked".<br /><br />Seems this former Miss Congeniality hates both abortion AND birth control, so despite having four children already and being in her early forties, when the risk of birth defects markedly increases, she conceived and bore a fifth child, who tragically is affected by Downs Syndrome.<br /><br />Even though she found out that the child would be so affected in her fourth month of pregnancy, she decided to bring the pregnancy to term, which has earned her the adoration of the anti-abortion-rights crowd. As Governor, how much time does she actually spend with this infant? Sounds like either the state's business or the child is being neglected. Unless, that is, she uses the Socialist (at least according to most right-wingers) practice of "day care".<br /><br />Now don't get me wrong. I believe that bringing a child to term, no matter what pre-screening tests indicate, is a completely noble and admirable choice. I don't fault her for that, just for her devout belief that nobody should actually HAVE that choice, at least not without grave hazards to one's body and personal freedom.<br /><br />Aside from her former-beauty-queen good looks, she brings almost nothing to the table for McCain among the non-evangelical voters of the country. All but the most delusional Hillary supporters will see through this as craven and desperate pandering. Do the Repubs think that women are so blind that they cannot make distinctions beyond the chromosomal level? It didn't work for Mondale / Ferraro, and it won't work for McCain / Palin. It's actually oddly reminiscent of 1984. Mondale, sensing he was about to be run over by a Mac truck called Reagan's re-election, made a desperate move by nominating Ferraro in an attempt to rally women (especially women activists) to his cause. The base was excited. The feminists, and progressive men (myself included), got all fired up and worked hard to elect the ticket.<br /><br />But it was far to little to counter the larger trends. Mondale didn't even carry Massachusetts, which was the only state to reject Nixon in 1972.<br /><br />The Republican squawk machine is desperately working to counter the shock and dismay of the rank-and-file moderates and intellectuals in the party by portraying her as an "experienced executive" and the like. The religious right and other litmus-test voters are newly energized by this selection of a "true believer", but those aren't the people McCain needs. Grumble or not, they were voting for him anyway. Now they'll donate more money or hold a sign where they wouldn't before but it won't be enough. US Presidential elections are always won on the margins, and Obama and the Democrats made great inroads this past week during their excellently-executed Convention. A poll taken by USA Today after the Palin announcement found that her choice had little impact on the already-decided, but a strong NEGATIVE impact amongst the UNDECIDED.<br /><br />This is fatal for McCain. Obama may take the country by storm now.<br /><br />His selection of the well-respected, articulate, and experienced-without-being-ruined Joe Biden along with his speech before 80,000 people in person and 38 million on TV (and millions more eventually via web video) solidified his standing as a leader ready to assume the highest office in the land. McCain's choice of a political neophyte (whatever her accomplishments) that he'd met only once and clearly hadn't vetted all that hard, solidifies, at least in my view, that he's a man of rash decisions and glib convictions, who would pander to the hard core right wing despite his "maverick" reputation, which was gained by OPPOSING the hard core right wing.<br /><br />For this more than anything else, his defeat in November will be well deserved.<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-571931309992552412008-07-17T22:51:00.004-05:002008-07-17T23:09:23.654-05:00Oklahoma Bombing Rare Footage: Local TV News on the Day of the CrimeEveryone knows what happened in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City">Oklahoma City</a> that terrible day in April, 1995. Right? It was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh">Timothy McVeigh</a>, the militia-joining fertilizer and diesel fuel truck bombing dude that done it. No?<br /><br />Sometimes you see something though that makes you go, "Huh?!?".<br /><br />I mean, if they actually were to have discovered ADDITIONAL bombs planted INSIDE the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building">Murrah building</a>, then that would somehow expand upon the "lone homemade truck bomber" theory, would it not?<br /><br />With this in mind, I invite viewers to review the following rare footage. It's quite a disturbing eye-opener. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrealism">Surrealism</a> in politics is never a good idea. Call me a rationalist, but I'm kind of a stickler in that way.<br /><br />I invite you to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk">view the footage for yourself</a> and see what you think.<br /><br />Good luck.<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-4898883087728852072008-07-16T23:52:00.002-05:002008-07-17T23:10:37.749-05:00Sweet Home Alabama? Not for John McCain's Campaign<p>Alabama Attorney General Troy King (R-AL), the (apparently now "former") Chairman of John McCain's Alabama Campaign Team and notably famous for his anti-gay diatribes and vigorous campaigns against sex toys, was allegedly caught by his wife in their bed with a male aide and banished from their home. </p> <p>Check this out...<br /><strong><br /><a set="yes" linkindex="136" href="http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=77355">McCain Scrubs Troy King from Web Site due to Gay Sex Scandal</a></strong></p> Alabama Attorney General Troy King (R-AL), a member of John McCain's Alabama Campaign Team and notably famous for his anti-gay diatribes, was allegedly caught by his wife in their bed with a male aide and banished from their home.<br /><br />Giving credence to these rumors is the fact that John McCain's campaign almost instantly scrubbed all mentions of Troy King from their web site.<br /><br />He's expected to resign soon.<br /><br />Troy King is also involved in the highly suspect <a linkindex="137" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml">prosecution of former Democratic Governor Don Siegelman</a>. <p> </p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-80044268599257926762007-12-04T12:10:00.000-05:002007-12-04T13:08:06.295-05:00Larry Craig, the Rev. Ted Haggard, and the Lover they SharedIdaho Senator Larry Craig, disgraced but unbowed, with the rest of the Republican Senate leadership resigned to his lack of resignation, had this article in the Idaho Statesman to contend with that stated that four men were actually willing to GO ON THE RECORD about their man-on-man sex with the esteemed Senator.<br /><br />This includes the now-famous gay prostitute and crank connection from Denver who outed the most flamboyant Rev. Ted Haggard as a lying sack of sh*t who snorted meth and screwed guys on the sly whilst purporting to be a paragon of moralist virtue (and President of the National Association of Evangelicals and overnight guest at the White House - that's another story though...)<br /><br />NationalBanana.com sums it up best though. This should win an award for "Funniest Political Clay-mation of 2007"<br /><br />Please enjoy.<br /><br /><embed src="http://crackle.com/p/Moving_Targets/Senator_Craigs_New_Music_Video.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#869ca7" width="400" height="325" name="mtgPlayer" align="middle" play="true" loop="false" allowFullScreen="true" flashvars="mu=0&ap=0&ml=fi%3D%26fpl%3D239948%26o%3D12&id=2076278" quality="high" allowScriptAccess="sameDomain" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/go/getflashplayer"> </embed><br> <div style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS";font-size:12px;width:400px;"> From Crackle: <a href="http://crackle.com/c/Moving_Targets/Senator_Craigs_New_Music_Video/2076278/#ml=fi%3D%26fpl%3D239948%26o%3D12" title="Senator Craig’s New Music Video" style="text-decoration:none;font-weight:bold;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;word-wrap:break-word;">Senator Craig’s New Music Video</a></div><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-3391859577513794102007-11-06T17:09:00.000-05:002007-11-06T17:24:04.835-05:00Navisite Completely Botches Alabanza Data Center Move - Thousands of Businesses Damaged or Destroyed by FiascoIn a sniveling attempt to diminish the apparent impact of their devastatingly poor execution of the ill-considered Alabanza Data Center move from Baltimore to Andover, MA, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Rathin Sinha</span>, Navisite's chief marketing officer, baldly and outrageously LIED about the number of sites affected by this fiasco.<br /><br />He said, in an article on <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/05/navisite_outage/">TheRegister.co.uk</a><br /><br /><blockquote>Sinha was unable to estimate exactly how many websites were affected. Alabanza serves about 300 customers who then resell service to smaller website operators. Navisite's best estimate is that 5,000 to 7,000 customers buy service through these resellers, he said.</blockquote><br />What a load of bullsh*t. Plain and simple. A clearly intentional lie from the chief marketing officer who must surely have had a hand in the creation and dissemination of this <a href="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/news/article/a/12/t/navisite_acquires_alabanza_and_jupiter_hosting.html">crowing press release</a>, Navisite proudly brags about the 165,000 web sites hosted on Alabanza. Take a look for yourself...<br /><br /><div id="center_block"> <h2 class="sub_title"></h2><blockquote><h2 class="sub_title">NaviSite Acquires Alabanza and Jupiter Hosting</h2> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">Andover, MA. August 13, 2007-</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> NaviSite</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">, Inc. (</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><a linkindex="20" href="http://www.navisite.com/">www.navisite.com</a><span style="color: black;">) (NASDAQ: NAVI),</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> a leading provider of application management, internet infrastructure and hosting solutions for the mid-market, has acquired <span> </span>two privately-held providers of hosting services – Alabanza and Jupiter Hosting – for total cash consideration of approximately $15.5 million</span><span class="MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><!--[if !supportAnnotations]--><a linkindex="21" name="_msoanchor_1" href="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/news/article/a/12/t/navisite_acquires_alabanza_and_jupiter_hosting.html#_msocom_1"></a><span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">.</span> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">Baltimore, MD based Alabanza offers a comprehensive suite of dedicated and shared web hosting services, as well as a highly automated proprietary software platform for provisioning and managing high volume hosting solutions.<span> </span>Santa Clara, CA based Jupiter Hosting offers dedicated and complex managed hosting and infrastructure services that include high quality and high bandwidth applications such as IPTV, Video on Demand and Progressive Video Delivery; the company also has a data center located in Santa Clara, CA.</span> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">”Alabanza and Jupiter fit neatly into our managed hosting offerings and were acquired at less than four times expected synergistic EBITDA,” said Arthur Becker, Chief Executive Officer of NaviSite. “These transactions add new customers with average revenue per square foot densities of approximately $4,700 per year and create significant opportunities to up-sell and cross-sell our entire suite of managed services.” </span> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">The acquisitions were financed predominately through cash on hand.. The acquisitions are expected to be accretive to adjusted EBITDA immediately and fully integrated by NaviSite’s second quarter. The company plans to update fiscal 2008 guidance for these acquisitions in its next quarterly earnings call tentatively scheduled for the end of September, 2007.</span> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">About Alabanza</span></strong> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 150%;"> <span class="normal11"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Baltimore, MD based </span></span><span class="normal11"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Alabanza’s automated web hosting solutions, backed by its powerful Domain System Manager (DSM®) software, are used by web hosting companies, web developers, systems integrators, Internet service providers, and telecommunication carriers. Alabanza’s proprietary software platform is a business management tool that guides and automates the core tasks required for running a hosting company, including DNS registration, web site provisioning and building, store front creation and customer billing. Nearly 165,000 active web sites in more than 25 countries are powered by Alabanza. For more information, please visit <a linkindex="22" href="http://www.alabanza.com/" title="http://www.alabanza.com/">www.alabanza.com</a>.</span></span> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">About Jupiter Hosting</span></strong> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Santa Clara, CA based Jupiter Hosting specializes in managed hosting for companies with high traffic volumes or complex hosting requirements. Working within the OSI seven-layer model, it provides simple dedicated and complex managed web hosting and web infrastructures for over 10,000 Internet properties. Jupiter Hosting has emerged as an industry leader in providing support for high-bandwidth applications such as IPTV, Video-on-Demand, and Progressive Download of Video content over the Internet. Other areas of specialization include IP bandwidth provisioning, server clustering, and application or database installation. For more information, please visit <a linkindex="23" href="http:///" title="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/">www.jupiterhosting.com</a>.</span> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">About NaviSite</span></strong> </p> <p class="MsoPlainText" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 150%;"> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">NaviSite is a leading provider of</span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> applications management and internet infrastructure solutions for the mid-market</span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">. More than 1000 customers depend on NaviSite for application development, implementation and management on its web infrastructure platforms in 14 state-of-the art data centers supported by 600 professionals. NaviSite specializes in the mid-market and provides customized and scalable solutions leveraging its broad range of application development capabilities, packaged software implementation expertise, deep portfolio of best in class technologies and a full suite of web-hosting and internet infrastructure options. For more information, please visit </span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><a set="yes" linkindex="24" href="http://www.navisite.com/"><span>www.navisite.com</span></a></span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"></span> </p> <p class="MsoPlainText" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 150%;" align="center"> <strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">###</span></strong> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">This release contains forward-looking statements, which address a variety of subjects including the expected future operating and financial results, including profitability, revenue growth and EBITDA, success and performance of NaviSite’s product and service offerings, and NaviSite’s strategic business plans for growing its customer base and increasing sales. All statements other than statements of historical fact, including without limitation those with respect to NaviSite’s goals, plans and strategies set forth herein, are forward-looking statements. The following important factors and uncertainties, among others, could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements: NaviSite’s success, including its ability to improve its gross profit, improve its cash flows, expand its operations and revenue, and reach and sustain profitability, depends on its ability to execute on its business strategy and the continued and increased demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; the possibility that financial forecasts of the Company may not be achieved, including those as to expected EBITDA and revenue, or an inability to realize expected synergies or make expected future investments in NaviSite' businesses or NaviSite may be unable to raise the necessary funds to meet its payment obligations to CIBC World Markets Corp. and other creditors; NaviSite’s management may face strain on managerial and operational resources as they try to oversee the expanded operations; NaviSite may not be able to expand its operations in accordance with its business strategy; NaviSite may experience difficulties integrating technologies, operations and personnel in accordance with its business strategy; NaviSite’s acquisition of companies and businesses may not produce expected cost savings, operational efficiencies or revenue; NaviSite’s products, technologies, and resources may not successfully operate with the technology, resources and/or applications of third parties;; and increased competition and technological changes in the markets in which NaviSite’s competes. For a detailed discussion of cautionary statements that may affect NaviSite’s future results of operations and financial results, please refer to NaviSite’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including NaviSite’s most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K and its Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q. Forward-looking statements represent management’s current expectations and are inherently uncertain. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements made by us. All logos, company and product names may be trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. </span></em> </p> <p class="MsoBodyText3" style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">###</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText3" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"></span> </p> </div><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-85763378206202925832007-09-19T02:19:00.000-05:002007-09-19T02:43:26.839-05:00Republican U.S. Attorney Arrested for Attempted Child Rape<p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">Yes, that's correct. Quoting from the Wayne Madsen Report...</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">Assistant U.S. Attorney for Northern Florida, John David Atchison, appointed by George W. Bush in 2002, was arrested in Detroit after flying from Pensacola. Atchison was arrested as part of an Internet child sex sting conducted by Macomb County police. Atchison believed he would be having sex with a 5-year old girl. He wrote a detective posing as the girl's mother that he would bring the youngster "presents," that he would go "slow and easy," and that "I've done it plenty."</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">Sooo.... lemmie get this straight....</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">Long time President George Bush Ally and Supporter </span><span style="font-size:100%;">John David Atchison, who is the Assistant U.S. Attorney in Northern Florida, flew to Michigan after lengthy conversations with what he believed to be the mother of a young child that was at least as sick as he was. This "mother" was planning to let this long-time GOP lickspittle rape (you can't even say "have sex with", five year olds can't consent to sex in any state) her young daughter, an act, if his own statements are to be believed, he had done "many times before".</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">Now I'm a liberal, and against the death penalty, but this case actually gives me second thoughts on the subject. Not that sending a federal prosecutor to prison for attempted rape of a five year old doesn't amount to a death sentence anyway. "Short Eyes" who are also COPS don't usually have the longest or most pleasant of lifespans once they join the fellows they've sent there before they decided to make it home.</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;">A few links for the disgusted and outraged:</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><a href="http://www.armchairsubversive.org/">Stop Republican Pedophilia</a><br /></span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><a href="http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-47/1190162398282410.xml&storylist=newsmichigan">News Report</a><br /></span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h4Cwc7R9apgsfa0PZG9nQVyPT0sQ">AP Article</a><br /></span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=us+attorney+arrested+sex+charge&btnG=Search">Google News Topic Search</a><br /></span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><br />Freaking disgusting. God help us all.</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"> </span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"> </span></p><p style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:100%;"> </span></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-81853091351412697992007-01-14T12:51:00.001-05:002008-03-08T15:52:26.068-05:00Whacking the Pinata - A citizen's response to Bush's escalation speech<span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:arial;" >Whacking the Piñata</span></span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">President George Swings </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Blindly </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">at his Elusive Target</span><br /><br />Commentary by <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/">David Caputo</a> - <a href="http://www.totallyfixed.com/">Totally Fixed and Rigged Magazine</a><br /><br />Well well well... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush">George the Second</a> went on TV Wednesday night (1/10/07) to announce his "new plan" to "win" the Iraq war.<br /><br />I've really got to meet his dealer. That stuff he's smoking must be <a href="http://www.maps.org/ritesofpassage/anonther.html">killer</a>...<br /><br />I'll now attempt to respond to this strident re-call-to-arms in a systematic, line by line way. Every sentence of his speech was carefully crafted (<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Writers_Group">not by him</a>, I presume) to "mean something" and impart a sense of world view and unstated assumptions. I'll do a bit of research and analysis as I go along, and explain what I think they're "<a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm">really</a>" trying to say, and what I think about what they actually and by implication did say.<br /><br />This is an exercise in "whacking the <a href="http://www.bofunk.com/video/406/human_pinata.html">pinata</a>" in several ways.<br /><br />For one, George Bush has announced that MORE, not fewer, US citizens will have to leave their homes, jobs, and families to go get shot up again with god-knows-what <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq_Coalition_Casualty_Statistics/Gulf_War_Illness">vaccine set</a> and sit in the scorching desert getting bitten by sand fleas. All the while hopefully NOT getting their brains blown out by a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_%28sniper%29">sniper</a> while they light a cigarette or <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0102/p01s03-usmi.html">losing a leg</a> when their humvee drives over one of those new-fangled "<a href="http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-3-04/IED.htm">shape charge</a>" IEDs. This is clearly "whacking the pinata" of the American Soldiers, who bravely risk their lives while serving (as <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north235.html">volunteers</a> no less), yet somehow only get <a href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/20/MNG5CN2RFE1.DTL">kicked squarely in the teeth</a> by this administration time and time again. From inciting sniper fire with "<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-07-02-bush-iraq-troops_x.htm">bring 'em on</a>" bravado to managing the occupation as essentially one big <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG11Ak01.html">looting operation</a>, the Bush administration has had nothing but contempt for the people who serve them, and us all, so selflessly.<br /><br />Secondly, the American people must feel a bit like the aforementioned candy-stuffed baseball bat target, because we overwhelmingly voted <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Rumsfeld_resigns_after_voters_rejec_11082006.html">AGAINST</a> the war! We repudiated the Republican leadership's agenda by returning <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10elect.html?ex=1320814800&en=87a7044177410172&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss">control of Congress</a> to the Democrats and voting for strong <a href="http://johnhallforcongress.com/">anti-war candidates</a> in districts across the country. But Bush Jr. pays no mind. He could care less what anyone else thinks except <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/28/60minutes/main2047607.shtml">his wife and his dog</a>. He said so himself. If he thinks he's right, then goddammit he's gonna do whatever the hell he wants. And who's gonna <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-102.html">stop him</a>, eh?<br /><br />Ouch. That hurts. Stop sir. Please... Ouch.<br /><br />Poor American citizens. Battered and bruised by <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/">relentless propaganda</a> and threat of <a href="http://www.eldoradosun.com/Archives/12-05_issue/Gutierrez%20%20.htm">disappearance</a> and torture. Few dare challenge the intake chute of the <a href="http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/OPINION09/701140301/1110/OPINION">meat grinder</a> that our youth are being airlifted to. We're too busy covering our heads from the incoming blows of an <a href="http://www.thinkingpeace.com/pages/arts2/arts175.html">obviously blindfolded</a> President.<br /><br />And the third way (at least that I can think of now) that this situation resembles "whacking the piñata" is that with each line of the <a href="http://www.themilitant.com/2007/7103/index.shtml">speech</a> below, I'm going to grip my rhetorical bat firmly, will myself to see through both <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/2ZPARBU1JKCBS">my own blinders</a> and the <a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html">blindfolds</a> others seek to saddle me with, and <a href="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9004041/agitprop">swing hard</a>.<br /><br />Enjoy.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" >President Bush Addresses Nation on Iraq War</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;">Source: CQ Transcripts Wire - Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 9:10 PM</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;">SPEAKER: <span style="font-weight: bold;">PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH</span></span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Good evening.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tonight in Iraq, the armed forces of the United States are engaged in a struggle that will determine the direction of the global war on terror and our safety here at home.</span><br /><br />OK... now this is the fundamental assumption that underlies all this other BS. It contains one obvious <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truism">truism</a>, which tries to suggest the other statement is true. Since the Administration has declared that Iraq is the "<a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/09/05/terrorism/index.html">central front of the war on terror</a>", then anything that affects the Iraq war would affect the "war on terror", by definition.<br /><br />The other statement, though, is much more dubious, especially taken as they intend to mean it, which is, "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here". This notion is absolute nonsense. Iraq has and had neither the will or the ability for such activities. Clearly the conflicting parties will <a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/if-it-looks-like-a-civil-war-and-sounds-like-a-civil-war/">fall upon each other</a> once we leave, and we will be quickly forgotten as a target once more local concerns take hold. Before we invaded they had even less reason to attack us, as there were not thousands of bitter, <a href="http://civilians.info/iraq/">mourning Iraqis</a> with hatred of us because we killed their son or daughter or sister or brother or mother or father or grandparent or cousin or uncle or aunt or friend or lover or wife or child. They were bitter about the sanctions, sure, but not enough to pose a realistic threat. We maintained constant <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/air-j24.shtml">air superiority</a> over their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_no-fly_zones">territory</a>, fer crissake...<br /><br />He also misses the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony">irony</a> that our "safety here at home" (and when <a href="http://www.studyabroad.purdue.edu/safety/saf_purdue_policy.cfm">visiting foreign countries</a> on business or vacation) would be greatly enhanced by an abrupt change of policy that included rapid troop withdrawals and payment of <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1106-24.htm">reparations</a> to an international consortium of sponsoring countries that did NOT include the United States, so that we might admit our tragic error / brutal crime and show <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility">humility</a> to the world and ask for forgiveness for our <a href="http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html">many sins</a>.<br /><br />Yea... no real chance of that happening though, it seems...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The new strategy I outline tonight will change America's course in Iraq and help us succeed in the fight against terror.</span><br /><br />Well... not really "change", more "<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/a-dangerous-speech-that-i_b_38545.html">expand upon</a>". "Change", is a word that implies difference. It suggests a turning of the wheel of policy rather than just a drunken stomp on the accelerator.<br /><br />And how does one "succeed" in the "fight against terror" anyway?<br /><br />Repeat the "I shall fear no evil" <a href="http://www.rwf2000.com/2000/23pslm.htm">psalm</a> over and over?<br /><br />Steel yourself to extensive <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail_therapy">retail therapy</a> in potentially-targeted shopping malls because the American economy needs your help?<br /><br />Say, "No", when your 14 year old son asks you to take him to "<a href="http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bad-parents-texas-chainsaw-massacre/985377672">Texas Cheerleader Chainsaw Massacre XVII</a>"?<br /><br />What will help?<br /><br />I think he really wanted to say "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism">terrorism</a>", but like I said, every word of his speech was carefully chosen, and using "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror">terror</a>" instead of "<a href="http://www.terrorism.com/">terrorism</a>" or, more accurately, "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations">terrorist groups</a>", is part of the whole effort to dumb-down and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak">newspeak</a> and vague-ize the debate/discussion about what they're doing.<br /><br />This must clearly be the case, because I don't understand how sending young men and women to situations where they regularly face (and indeed suffer) <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1023-07.htm">grievous injury</a> and often <a href="http://www.icasualties.org/oif/">death</a>, can be said to reduce the amount of "terror" in the world. Especially the amount of "terror" suffered by Americans. Indeed, it would seem to me that looking down at one's viciously shattered leg, bleeding profusely, stunned with overwhelming pain, contemplating death or a <a href="http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/">life as an amputee</a>, would be a moment of "terror" so profound as to shake every one of us to our very core. Doesn't sound to me like "success" against "terror" very much at all.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">When I addressed you just over a year ago, nearly 12 million Iraqis had cast their ballots for a unified and democratic nation. The elections of 2005 were a stunning achievement.</span><br /><br />Well, I did think the whole "purple thumb" thing was a nice touch. Kind of a "we're not Sunni/Shia/Kurd, we're PURPLE", public relations campaign that provided internet-ready full color pictures of "<a href="http://www.martinirepublic.com/item/iraq-in-the-no-more-purple-fingers-era/">democracy on the march</a>." There must have been some internal conflict in the Bush Administration because "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_Purple_%28film%29">The Color Purple</a>" is also a <a href="http://www.libertas.co.uk/product_detail.asp?ID=882&CID=88">book</a> and <a href="http://www.reel.com/movie.asp?MID=189&PID=10108651&buy=closed&Tab=reviews&CID=18">movie</a> that contains lesbian scenes, and I'm sure someone down the Moral Majority end of the West Wing <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/02/11/MN93178.DTL">pointed this out</a>. Despite this, they seem to have been overruled. Maybe there really is a "<a href="http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=27745">Gay Mafia</a>" inside <a href="http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=99&contentid=1911">Republican circles</a> who wanted to make a stand for <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1999/02/11/NEWS12511.dtl">Purple</a> and saw this as their best shot.<br /><br />Never mind that the campaign was marked by secrecy about who the candidates actually were, due to security concerns, because many of the candidates who had been identified were <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0118/p06s01-woiq.html">quickly assassinated</a>. Or that the election took place under the violent and suspiciously-watchful control of an invading power, with no attempts to back off or return to bases or anything that would even have given the Iraqis a semblance of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_%28politician%29">independent</a> action. His assertion that the elections were a "stunning" achievement is instructive, because "stunning" means either "beautiful", which they were clearly not, or "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunning">disabling and disorienting</a>", which seems to hit the nail right on the head.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We thought that these elections would bring the Iraqis together and, that as we trained Iraqi security forces, we could accomplish our mission with fewer American troops.</span><br /><br />Who's "we"? Nobody outside of 1600 PA Avenue thought that the elections were going to bring the the Iraqis into a big <a href="http://www.ericgwin.com/pages/lyrics_pages/kum_bay_yah.htm">Kum-Bay-Yah</a> group hug. I'd submit that they didn't think this would happen either, and that the whole thing was a big PR stunt trying to put nice red glossy <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=putting+lipstick+on+a+pig">lipstick</a> on this 800-pound-sow of a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/opinion/24tues1.html?ex=1319342400&en=f8c5bb1df9295c47&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss">policy disaster</a>.<br /><br />"Training" Iraqi <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Iraqi_Army">security forces</a> has been a big problem too. Problem is that we don't really need to teach the Iraqis how to fight, or shoot guns, or <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/15/1060936052309.html">set off bombs</a>, or organize themselves into military units. We claim that this is what we're doing, but <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/30/iraqs_doomed_police_training/">clearly it isn't</a> what we're trying to do, or having difficulty doing. The problem is that we're trying to train the Iraqi forces <span style="font-weight: bold;">to do what we tell them to do</span>, which they <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/05/02/1000-iraqi-army-soldiers_n_20219.html">naturally resist</a>. Oh yea, and they slip off with weapons. Or take advantage of things they know to <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/041115-iraqi-recruits.htm">supply information</a> to the <a href="http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_iraq_new_regime_failures.html">resistance</a>. Or just abandon their posts. This is if they don't just get killed in one of those <a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L17910497.htm">signature</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombings_in_Iraq_since_2003">car bombs</a> against groups of Iraqi soldiers <a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060912/ai_n16718052">lined up</a> outside a check-dispensing window to get paid their pitiful salaries. Interesting how they make the hapless Iraqi soldiers queue up into large, vulnerable masses just to get paid.<br /><br />That's another reason why Iraqis seem reluctant to sacrifice all for the greater glory of a <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/32717.html">US-run Iraq</a>. The US military has shown absolutely <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6112007">no regard</a> for the health and safety even of those Iraqis who nominally accept them as their masters. For all the fuss about lightly-armored humvees for US troops, we send these guys around in cloth-covered <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/international/middleeast/30armor.html?ex=1288324800&en=25b6f8e797e94261&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss">flatbed trucks</a>.<br /><br />Talk about a juicy target. Couple of RPGs in the back of one of those and the "Iraqi Army" recruiting numbers take a <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/iraq-corps3.htm">steep dive</a> yet again.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">But in 2006, the opposite happened. The violence in Iraq, particularly in Baghdad, overwhelmed the political gains the Iraqis had made. Al </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Qaida</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> terrorists and Sunni insurgents recognized the mortal danger that Iraq's elections posed for their cause. And they responded with outrageous acts of murder aimed at innocent Iraqis.</span><br /><br />Now here's another clever bit of word <a href="http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hocus-pocus.html">hocus-pocus</a>. The opposite of what happened? The elections tore the Iraqis apart (the opposite of "bring them together")? Or that as we trained Iraqi forces, we could only accomplish our mission with MORE American troops.<br /><br />It didn't seem like the elections themselves tore the Iraqis asunder. There was squabbling and arm twisting and deal making and bluffs and counterbluffs but the "election" process didn't really provoke any systematic violence by itself, that I can remember.<br /><br />It should be pointed out for the record that Al Qaida has been a <a href="http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/afghans.html">CIA front organization</a> for many many years. It was <a href="http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062504manufacturedfront.htm">founded by the CIA</a> with the help of an employee named Osama Bin Laden back in the days when he was our friend and the bad Soviets needed to be expelled from Afghanistan. Things are no different today. The Al Qaida group was always <a href="http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051104beheadsuscivilian.htm">attributed</a> to the most <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060607/7iraqblog.htm">gruesome</a> and <a href="http://www.ulita.com/beheading.php">appalling</a> acts of demonstrative violence. It was frequently reported that the Sunni insurgent groups <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5340">hated</a> the ostensibly Sunni A.Q. and saw them as provocateurs and outsiders clearly hostile to their interests. They obviously know who "Al Qaeda" is really working for.<br /><br />Which brings us to an important point. The US government has and had <a href="http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/us-had-no-intention-leaving-iraq">no intention</a> that Iraq would ever become a truly functioning independent country with control over its own affairs, foreign policy, and military, ever again. There is no need to build a comprehensive fleet of staggeringly expensive <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/giebel01062004.html">permanent military bases</a> if we're planning on pulling out and letting the Iraqis take control of our improvements. You'd think we'd be more modest with our <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ZEE20060514&articleId=2441">embassy compound</a> construction project if we weren't really planning on maintaining <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viceroy">viceroy</a>-like imperial control from this massive new seat of our in-country power.<br /><br />All this means we're <a href="http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1166766847195620.xml&coll=1">not planning on leaving</a>. Ever.<br /><br />When Bush suggests that the US ever intended or desired anything short of the dismantling of Iraq as a country and the permanent subjugation of its peoples for the purposes of massive profit and power through the control of its oil, he's lying. No other way to put it. If he really believes he has an immortal soul that exposes it's falsehoods to an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence">all-seeing God</a>, then he's simply delusional. But I don't think that's the case. I think he knows he's lying, and is even proud of it.<br /><blockquote>"They think I'm stupid," he says to himself, "well I'll show them who's stupid."<br /><br />"They'll believe anything I say, as long as I can keep from cracking up long enough... uhhuh huhh... (<a href="http://www.beavisandbutthead.net/wavs/pbs.wav">shaddup Beavis</a>)"</blockquote><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">They blew up one of the holiest shrines in </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Shia</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Islam -- the Golden Mosque of </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Samarra</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> -- in a calculated effort to provoke Iraq's </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Shia</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> population to retaliate.</span><br /><br />Again we have here the ever-present question of <a href="http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/special_packages/iraq/16460924.htm">who "they" is</a>. <a href="http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2006/iraq_death_squads.htm">Reports from eyewitnesses</a> suggest US <a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5646">covert operatives</a>, unafraid of potential intervention from nearby US <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64_Apache">Apache Helicopter</a> squadrons, took their time in broad daylight <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12063.htm">setting the bombs</a> and showed no fear or haste during the entire process.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0961_fake_terrorism_coalition_best_friend.html">Calculated effort</a> indeed...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Their strategy worked. Radical </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Shia</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> elements, some supported by Iran, formed death squads. And the result was a vicious cycle of sectarian violence that continues today.</span><br /><br />OK OK... Radical Shia elements had <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0504-08.htm">already formed</a> death squads, often with the support of the US advisers who were sent there to impose a "Salvador" <a href="http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/48/18107">solution</a> to the restive Iraqi "problem". For those who are too young or don't remember recent history, a "<a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/oct2005/salv-o28.shtml">Salvador</a>" (as in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador">El Salvador</a>) <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4407">solution</a> is one that consists of <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11180.htm">summary execution</a>, kidnappings and <a href="http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=289156">disappearances</a>, extensive torture, brutal class divisions, ideological extremism and behind-the-scenes puppetmaster control by the US designee, whomever that might be.<br /><br />The bombing's effect on the already accelerating vicious cycle of violence did have the desired effect (<a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/783/re11.htm">for the Americans</a>, I assert) because it immediately <a href="http://dev.epic-usa.org/index.cfm?page=weblog&subpage=month_blogs&d=1&m=2&y=2006">spiked sky-high</a> and ushered in a whole new universe of the <a href="http://www.cursor.org/stories/iraq.html">grotesque</a> and <a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict/burning_3295.jsp">macabre</a>.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people, and it is unacceptable to me. Our troops in Iraq have fought bravely. They have done everything we have asked them to do. Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me.</span><br /><br />How about naming one of these <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/10/enough_already_.html">mistakes</a>, George? I notice you pointedly do not. You don't even imply that you accept or understand that anything real or tangible has actually gone wrong under your watch. "Where" mistakes have been made, without examples, means you're really saying "if" mistakes have been made, which you're unsure of...<br /><br />By using the term "unacceptable" to define both yours' and the American peoples' dissatisfaction with the Iraq war you're <a href="http://www.adhdnews.com/testforum/test595.htm">lying</a> by analogy. You think it's unacceptable because things aren't going the way you and your cronies want them to. The American people think the war's unacceptable because it's wrong, it's stupid, it's grossly destructive, it's brutal, it's sadistic, it's heartbreaking, and ultimately, because it's a <a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3426">crime against humanity</a> on a <a href="http://www.bushcommission.org/Findings/Final%20Verdict.pdf">spectacular scale</a>.<br /><br />You don't seem to get this...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">It is clear that we need to change our strategy in Iraq. So my national security team, military commanders and diplomats conducted a comprehensive review.</span><br /><br /><blockquote>"Because we didn't like what the Iraq Survey Group (Baker Commission) had to say in their <a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/12010/">list of recommendations</a>.<br /><br />Talk to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria">Syria</a>?!? What are you HIGH?!?<br /><br />Talk to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran">Iran</a>?!? Does anyone here look like they speak <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsi">Farsi</a>?!?<br /><br />Get the hell out??? No way!!!<br /><br />We got a better plan... More of the same, but different!!"</blockquote><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We consulted members of Congress from both parties, allies abroad, and distinguished outside experts.</span><br /><br />OK... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman">Joe Lieberman</a>, Democrat, Check - Insert generic Republican - England, Israel, ??? - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_kissenger">Henry Kissinger</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol">Bill Kristol</a>.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We benefited from the thoughtful recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel led by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Congressman Lee Hamilton. In our discussions, we all agreed that there is no magic formula for success in Iraq. And one message came through loud and clear: Failure in Iraq would be a disaster for the United States.</span><br /><br />Bush winced when he read the first sentence like he was benefiting from a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_enema">barium enema</a>. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Study_Group">Iraq Study Group</a> put out page after page of recommendations, but only one came through the static. Perhaps it was the only one he was briefed on. Hold your hands up if you think he read the whole thing himself... No hands??? Thought so. I would also suggest that there could never be a magic formula for "success" in Iraq because there is no agreement as to what that would actually mean and most statements including that phrase are patently <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disingenuous">disingenuous</a> when analyzed in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context">context</a>.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The consequences of failure are clear: Radical Islamic extremists would grow in strength and gain new recruits. They would be in a better position to topple moderate governments, create chaos in the region and use oil revenues to fund their ambitions. Iran would be emboldened in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Our enemies would have a safe haven from which to plan and launch attacks on the American people.</span><br /><br />Number one, the "consequences" of "failure" are anything but clear. Especially since "failure to do what" is nowhere here exactly defined. How can the consequences of failing to do something, that you don't even know what it is, be knowable in advance? And is he talking about radical Islamist "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremists">extremists</a>" just in Iraq? Or elsewhere too? How can US Troops being in or out of Iraq substantially effect the numbers of extremist recruits in other countries? Other than of course, encouraging people to sign up because we are still occupying Iraq. Which <a href="http://mideastoutpost.com/archives/000030.html">moderate governments</a> is he talking about anyway?? Please define "moderate". In the Bush context, "moderate" usually means, "willing and able to take our orders and control their population."<br /><br />How exactly does one operate and maintain an oil industry in an environment of "chaos"? Those seem like the contradictory goals of an ineffective insurgency. I doubt that's really the plan. One or the other, maybe, but not both.<br /><br />Iran's "<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/weekinreview/29slackman.html?ex=1296190800&en=5ea0e853550c08a0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss">emboldenment</a>" vis a vis the subject of nuclear weapons should be taken with a bit of skepticism. Iran has vigorously disavowed ambitions to build and/or possess nuclear weapons, and the IAEA has pretty much backed them up on this. The whole underexplored subtext of the Valerie Plame affair was the destruction of the Brewster-Jennings undercover intelligence operation that was keeping tabs on what exactly the <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/41537/?comments=view&cID=220110&pID=217766">Iranians</a> WERE up to, lest they be able to contradict the assertions of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatives">Neo-Cons</a> who were making <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_forgery">yellowcake</a>-style claims about Iran's intentions and activities.<br /><br />This, I dare say, is clearly Treason. I invite rebuttals as to why it is not, but I don't see how you can call blinding US policymakers by destroying both an ongoing intelligence operation and a seasoned operative could be described as anything but. Not to mention that many of the contacts and allies that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame">Valerie Plame</a> and other <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer">Brewster-Jennings</a> associates had carefully cultivated and promised to protect were exposed as CIA sources and <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/14/125141/367">promptly liquidated</a> by their respective regimes.<br /><br />Nice, eh?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">On September the 11th, 2001, we saw what a refuge for extremists on the other side of the world could bring to the streets of our own cities. For the safety of our people, America must succeed in Iraq.</span><br /><br />Ahhh... now we get to the "real" point. Back to <a href="http://wtc7.net/">September 11th</a>. The central justification for this entire <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clusterfuck">clusterf*ck</a> we now find ourselves immersed in. But was that event really what they say it was? He says "we saw" a certain thing, but I for one "saw" something much different than what he suggests happened. I see it as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linchpin">lynchpin</a> of their entire theory of retaliatory conquest, but one that even they know to be absolutely false. They make a good show of it to scare the masses, but among people who pay attention and dig beneath the surface, the problems with the "official story" add up to an official <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverup">coverup</a>.<br /><br />Why would they most urgently endeavor to cover up the most spectacular crime in American history if they wanted the "whole truth" to get out? Why did they <a href="http://www.911pressfortruth.com/story">not even address</a> the majority of questions posed by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls">widows</a> of the <a href="http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm">victims</a> in the <a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html">official</a> <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154">9/11 Commission Report</a>. Why indeed...<br /><br />No matter what can be proven about what did or didn't happen <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">on</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">9/11</span>, it's clearly provable that a <a href="http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up">massive cover-up</a> took place in the months and years <span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;">after</span> 9/11.</span> This is what the administration doesn't want you to understand. <a href="http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com/2006/11/my-letters-to-counterpunch-re-911.html">Lefties</a> who don't realize that this is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_gun">smoking gun</a> we need to end this <a href="http://blog.alexwhalen.com/blogarchives/2006/07/descent_into_madness_with_mult.php">madness</a> are missing the central point. Common citizens from all walks of life feel in their hearts a dread that things are not actually as they've been portrayed. Their dread is well founded. That the "official" story is a bizzaro-world <a href="http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/10/hall-of-mirrors.html">hall of mirrors</a> is plain to anyone who looks at the evidence in any detail at all.<br /><br />The widespread knowledge that 9/11 was a <a href="http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/2006/08/was-911-government-scam.html">scam</a> is one thing, in my opinion, that reinforces and solidifies the public's <a href="http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/21319.html">revulsion</a> against this war. Most Americans are not actually as stupid as their leaders would like to believe, but they are sometimes a little slow on the uptake. That time has past though, and there's gonna be hell to pay soon. Just watch.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The most urgent priority for success in Iraq is security, especially in Baghdad. Eighty percent of Iraq's sectarian violence occurs within 30 miles of the capital. This violence is splitting Baghdad into sectarian enclaves and shaking the confidence of all Iraqis. Only the Iraqis can end the sectarian violence and secure their people. And their government has put forward an aggressive plan to do it.</span><br /><br />Yea... "<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html?ex=1169269200&en=63d220004da0128c&ei=5070">their government</a>" has a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/world/middleeast/11military.html?ex=1169269200&en=7463eb91069c87de&ei=5070">plan</a>. Right. I wonder who translated it from Arabic for the Americans. Or was it the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_bush">other way around</a>? And if "only the Iraqis" can end the violence and bring security, then why exactly are we "helping" so much?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents, and there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have.</span><br /><br />OK, this is big news. Bush admits that his efforts have actually "failed". But then he goes on to completely get wrong why that's the case. He forgets a really big point about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_warfare">urban warfare</a>, namely that it's very very hard to subdue an entire city, especially when they don't want you there and every <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdania_incident">household</a> is actually <a href="http://www.parapundit.com/archives/003987.html">allowed</a> to have one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47">AK-47</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalashnikov">Kalashnikov</a> rifle on premises. Sounds like <a href="http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1174649,00.html">everyone</a> is a potential threat, no? Is that what's meant by "cleared". How do you "clear" an apartment block? Where do you put the people you've "cleared"? What <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process">due process</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture">methods</a> are utilized to weed out the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants">combatants</a> from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-combatants">non</a>? I highly doubt that you or I would want to be subjected to them, whatever they are.<br /><br />The second point though, is much more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil">sinister</a>.<br /><br />What exactly does he mean by "too many restrictions" were placed on troops that participated in these operations before? Does he think that encouraging more <a href="http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=554106&category=OPINION&newsdate=1/16/2007">acts of brutality</a> and reckless discharges of automatic weapons fire in <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/stories/20070126004001700.htm">residential neighborhoods</a> will actually help "<a href="http://watchingamerica.com/azzaman000118.shtml">secure</a>" Baghdad. I don't follow the logic...<br /><br />What he seems to be calling for would be encouraging exactly that. The US troops in Baghdad have not exactly displayed a massuse's touch when it comes to the luckless city residents who encounter them. Removing whatever tenuous restrictions, often observed mostly in the breach anyway, that might mitigate the troops more <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/11/26.html">rapacious</a> behaviors, is a certain recipe for <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/iraq/main2102943.shtml">sickening war crimes</a> that will <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe246.html">shame this nation</a> and the world.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our military commanders reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes. They report that it does. They also report that this plan can work.</span><br /><br />Which military commanders are these? The <a href="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1575736,00.html">new Navy guy</a> you picked to run your two desert land wars? I'm glad he's on the job, that's for sure. Since he just got there, almost, he's also probably the <a href="http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/jmariani_20070117.html">best guy</a> to evaluate your plan, right?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Let me explain the main elements of this effort.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Iraqi government will appoint a military commander and two deputy commanders for their capital. The Iraqi government will deploy Iraqi Army and National Police brigades across Baghdad's nine districts.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">When these forces are fully deployed, there will be 18 Iraqi Army and National Police brigades committed to this effort, along with local police. These Iraqi forces will operate from local police stations; conducting patrols, setting up checkpoints, and going door- to-door to gain the trust of Baghdad residents.</span><br /><br />"Going door-to-door to gain the trust of Baghdad residents"?!? You've got to be kidding. Somehow I think that when the <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/01/itm_post.php">troops come knocking</a> door-to-door that everyone will <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/surge-expected-to-intensify-fighting/2007/01/11/1168105116513.html">scatter and run</a>, not open up for a trust-bonding experience with Iraqi-partnered Americans. <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006675.htm">Maybe I'm wrong</a> on this, but I don't think so.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This is a strong commitment. But for it to succeed, our commanders say the Iraqis will need our help. So America will change our strategy to help the Iraqis carry out their campaign to put down sectarian violence and bring security to the people of Baghdad.</span><br /><br />Change our strategy, eh? Does that mean we're admitting failure (like he just did) and leaving??<br /><br />Well... no, not exactly.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This will require increasing American force levels. So I have committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq. The vast majority of them -- five brigades -- will be deployed to Baghdad. These troops will work alongside Iraqi units and be embedded in their formations.</span><br /><br />Hmm... embedded. Like <a href="http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/ataxia.asp">ticks</a>. Or <a href="http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/iiin/chigger.html">chiggers</a>. Or <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1078652,00.html">major media reporters</a>. Twenty thousand you say? That should help. Sure.<br /><br />Just one question... Where are you going to <a href="http://usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-24-war-strain_x.htm">get these guys</a>?<br /><br />The proud US fighting forces have been systematically <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04353/428818.stm">ground down into dust</a> by way of this war. <a href="http://www.ips.org/">IPS</a> reports that:<br /><blockquote>The number of injured has <a href="http://www.catholicmediareport.org/story.php?story_id=2719">far outstripped the dead</a>, with the Veterans Administration reporting that more than 150,000 veterans of the Iraq war are <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-bilmes5jan05,0,7081730.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions">receiving disability benefits</a>.<br /></blockquote>Wow... bet you hadn't heard that... One hundred and fifty thousand young men and women already on disability because they've fought in this war. I sure would call this dust-grinding. It's an absolute <a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/009385.php">unmitigated disaster</a> for force levels and a setup for a mandatory <a href="http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml">military draft</a> that everyone says is impossible but is only one actual or <a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929&sectionID=67">invented crisis</a> away from becoming a reality. The math just doesn't add up any other way. They're running out of volunteer soldiers. It's gonna get ugly. Not that it's not <a href="http://www.allwords.com/word-revulsive.html">revulsive</a> already.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our troops will have a well-defined mission: to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security that Baghdad needs.</span><br /><br />How can a mission that fundamentally contradicts itself be "well-defined"? "Clearing" neighborhoods means <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3466.htm">invading</a> them with massive <a href="http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/opin/pr_uswc.html">trigger-happy</a> displays of force that proceed to kick down everyone's door and drag the menfolk out into the streets to kneel in submission at gunpoint in front of everyone, selecting some or all for detention and consignment to god-knows-what horrors. How this might unfold in an environment of "fewer restrictions" on the troops leaves me in a cold sweat.<br /><br />How, pray tell, could this ever be contrued as "protecting" the "local population"? Seems the real problem is that the "population" is overwhelmingly hostile to the Americans and any <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency#Attacks_on_security_forces">Iraqis</a> who want to play patty-cake with them. Their society's longstanding traditions of <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2007/01/09/revenge/index_np.html">blood revenge</a> and extended clan affiliations mean that almost everyone in Baghdad has some reason to be hostile to the forces who have killed or maimed a relative or destroyed a relative's home or business.<br /><br />I guess "<a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=4631">draining the sea</a> to get the fish" doesn't really work in the desert.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Many listening tonight will ask why this effort will succeed when previous operations to secure Baghdad did not.</span><br /><br />Really George? You think so?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Here are the differences.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">In earlier operations, Iraqi and American forces cleared many neighborhoods of terrorists and insurgents but, when our forces moved on to other targets, the killers returned.</span><br /><br />Note the easy confluence of the terms "neighborhoods" and "targets". Maybe the problem is that they just cleared "many" neighborhoods and not "all" of them. Or maybe the problem is that they <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1553869">left people alive</a> in the neighborhoods they moved on from? Where did the killers "return" from anyway? Did we "clear" neighborhoods by just <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-diyala6jan06,1,1598423.story?coll=chi-news-hed">chasing the insurgents away</a>? Did we <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2006/20060429_4974.html">arrest them</a> and then let them go?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This time, we will have the force levels we need to hold the areas that have been cleared.</span><br /><br />Oh... I see. So now we're going to permanently occupy each residential neighborhood of Baghdad with the 20,000 extra troops. We're rousting people from their jobs as firemen and accountants to drag them over there so they can stand guard at the Abdul Bodega on the corner of Tikrit Avenue and 47th St. That'll be good. I'm sure the wives/husbands/bosses/children/parents of the afflicted National Guard troops can all really understand the urgency of our national mission here.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">In earlier operations, political and sectarian interference prevented Iraqi and American forces from going into neighborhoods that are home to those fueling the sectarian violence. This time, Iraqi and American forces will have a green light to enter these neighborhoods. And Prime Minister Maliki has pledged that political or sectarian interference will not be tolerated.</span><br /><br />Or he's gonna do what? Yell at people? Complain to Condoleezza Rice? Certainly not strap-on a flak jacket and wade into the battle himself. No way that's gonna happen. So what's he going to do? He has no more power to stop armed militias doing whatever the hell they want to than the Americans do. The same forces that "prevented" Amer-Iraqi forces from imposing their will before will conspire to thwart it again. No "green light" or lack of "tolerance" is going to help that situation.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">I have made it clear to the prime minister and Iraq's other leaders that America's commitment is not open-ended. If the Iraqi government does not follow through on its promises, it will lose the support of the American people. And it will lose the support of the Iraqi people.</span><br /><br />Well... judging from the latest poll numbers, the Iraqi government has about as much popular support in the United States as former Rep. Mark Foley. Maybe less. I can't really comment on the public opinion of the Iraqi people, but it seems hard to believe that the systematic mayhem overflowing the streets each day indicates wholehearted support of the Iraqi government by its subjects.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Now is the time to act. The prime minister understands this. Here is what he told his people just last week: The Baghdad security plan will not provide a safe haven for any outlaws, regardless of sectarian or political affiliation.</span><br /><br />Outlaws you say... Like Halliburton? KBR? Custer Battles? the list goes on and on. Bunnatine Greenhouse was cashiered from her prominent position as the Army's chief auditor because she dared speak out about such wholesale thefts. These folks don't like their cash cows gored. Bush wouldn't think of reaching for the spear. So he's lying, plain and simple, because outlaws with the correct political affiliations seem to have a very safe haven indeed.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This new strategy will not yield an immediate end to suicide bombings, assassinations or IED attacks. Our enemies in Iraq will make every effort to ensure that our television screens are filled with images of death and suffering.</span><br /><br />Oh... so it's NOT going to actually work after all... OK... Those sycophants of the Iraqi terror-squad leaders themselves, the TV broadcasting networks of America, are going to make sure that those who "hate us because we are free" have an unfettered channel to the hapless citizen's horror and cowardice reflex, as they grind away relentlessly at our will to fight.<br /><br />So, is there any good news?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Yet, over time, we can expect to see Iraqi troops chasing down murderers, fewer brazen acts of terror, and growing trust and cooperation from Baghdad's residents.</span><br /><br />"Chasing down murderers", now that sounds exciting! Maybe they could do it live-action like COPS, only the guy gets filled with machine gun fire instead of read his rights once they've hunted him down. They could syndicate the rights worldwide to help raise some money to offset the awful costs of this whole enterprise, no?<br /><br />Fewer "brazen" acts of terror doesn't actually mean fewer acts of terror, just fewer "brazen" ones. That should be an improvement... yea...<br /><br />And then there's the bit again about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust">trust</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperation">cooperation</a> with people whose houses you <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,1927660,00.html">bust your way into</a> and drag people screaming from. I'm pretty much an amateur at this "<a href="http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html">win friends and influence people</a>" thing but I dunno... Doesn't sound like a promising strategy to me...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">When this happens, daily life will improve, Iraqis will gain confidence in their leaders, and the government will have the breathing space it needs to make progress in other critical areas.</span><br /><br />Just like MAGIC! Wow... it's true!! It can happen!! Pigs CAN fly!!<br /><br />Oh yea... not really... that's just what it said on the teleprompter.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Most of Iraq's Sunni and Shia want to live together in peace. And reducing the violence in Baghdad will help make reconciliation possible.</span><br /><br />Yes, here George you're actually saying something that is abstractly true. Most people of all religions want to live in peace and enjoy their lives and raise their children in safety. The main problem is that this will likely not happen until we GTFO. Your forced lack of understanding of this small point makes sure that reconciliation is im-possible.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.</span><br /><br />Benchmarks? That the Iraqi government has announced? How on earth is America going to hold the Iraqi government to its benchmarks? What will we do if they go unmet? Execute the governing officials? Withdraw all of our troops suddenly? Complain bitterly on <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/">Faux News</a> in mock disgust?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November.</span><br /><br />Note "plans to take responsibility for" not "has taken responsibility for". You know what they say about the best laid plans...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis.</span><br /><br />This I'd like to see. Sounds like Socialism to me. Is that what the US has stooped to? Ressurecting state socialism to rescue/support this disintegrating mega-capitalist project? Talk about ideological chaos! Sheesh...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend 10 billion dollars of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs.</span><br /><br />Wow... their "own money" huh. Gonna let the kids spend their own money? Where did they get the lead-in? "To show that it is committed to delivering a better life," sounds like a General Electric ad. Maybe it is. Maybe GE's getting all the new washing machine contracts in the community laundromats that the project will build? Maybe it's less civilian-oriented than that. That'd be what I'd wager.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year.</span><br /><br />So are the candidates going to be announced publicy before the elections this time? That might help. Good to know who at least your choices ARE, even if you can't quite figure out what they stand for.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution.</span><br /><br />You'd think the Iraqi Muslims liked pork considering all the baloney he's trying to feed them. Or maybe it's all-beef Kosher baloney. Nah, that wouldn't work either. I'm confused...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">America will change our approach to help the Iraqi government as it works to meet these benchmarks. In keeping with the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, we will increase the embedding of American advisers in Iraqi Army units and partner a coalition brigade with every Iraqi Army division.</span><br /><br />In other words, "We will establish direct oversight and control of your every move. You will go nowhere without our watchful presence, and our ability to call in air power to violently enforce our will on a massive scale."<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We will help the Iraqis build a larger and better-equipped Army, and we will accelerate the training of Iraqi forces, which remains the essential U.S. security mission in Iraq.</span><br /><br />I'm starting to think that the physics of acceleration surrounding the Iraqi army's training process has many similar features to the suspension of the laws of physics in lower Manhattan some five plus years ago. Neither theory stands up to rigorous testing. Take two examples.<br /><blockquote>1) All three World Trade Center Towers (1, 2 and 7) collapsed at free-fall speed after suffering damage that (by itself) never could have caused the observed phenomenon we all witnessed that day.<br /><br />2) Every time we "accelerate" the "training" of Iraqi troops, it seems like fewer and fewer get "trained". It's the classic "the hurrieder I go, the behinder I get" scenario.</blockquote>It's so hard to train people to take orders though. Especially if they hate your guts.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We will give our commanders and civilians greater flexibility to spend funds for economic assistance.</span><br /><br />And ask them to please please please not spend it ALL on Hookers and Black Jack again this time.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We will double the number of Provincial Reconstruction Teams. These teams bring together military and civilian experts to help local Iraqi communities pursue reconciliation, strengthen moderates and speed the transition to Iraqi self-reliance.</span><br /><br />All praise the strong local moderate self-reliant Iraqi!!! Wait... isn't that almost a sure sign that they're up to something no good?!?! Thank goodness we've got fewer restrictions now so we can keep our eye on him and rough him up a little if he starts getting too uppity.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">And Secretary Rice will soon appoint a reconstruction coordinator in Baghdad to ensure better results for economic assistance being spent in Iraq.</span><br /><br />That should help. Sounds like they'll have a lot of real power to knock heads together. You think?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">As we make these changes, we will continue to pursue Al Qaida and foreign fighters.</span><br /><br />...since they make the most effective chimeras to pursue. Since there are hardly any of them out there, we can spend most of our time pretending we're trying to capture them and not be too disappointed when we come up empty handed. They make good false enemies, though, because the only other people there are to shoot at are Iraqi citizens. Are they the Enemy? Is the entire country now a free-fire zone where all who tread without US escorts are potential targets of the Americans, and those who travel with US escorts are targets of the resistance forces, who consider any cooperation with the invading forces tantamount to treason.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Al Qaida is still active in Iraq. Its home base is Anbar province. Al Qaida has helped make Anbar the most violent area of Iraq outside the capital.</span><br /><br />Which brings us back to the point that the Al Qaida network was founded, organized, nurtured, given weapons and training, and kept OFF the "real" list of US military targets. Remember how Osama Bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora? Everything the US government says about Al Qaida is a cover story drenched in a myth. It's instructive how he says that A.Q. has only "helped" make Anbar the most violent area in Iraq. The US military is by far the worst culprit, and he knows this.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A captured Al Qaida document describes the terrorists' plan to infiltrate and seize control of the province. This would bring Al Qaida closer to its goals of taking down Iraq's democracy, building a radical Islamic empire, and launching new attacks on the United States at home and abroad.</span><br /><br />I guess we must thank our lucky stars that the bumbling terrorists lay out their entire plan in an easy-to-capture-and-decipher document that laid bare their entire set of devious designs. Sort of like the luggage Mohammed Atta "left behind accidentally" at the airport in Portland, ME in his rush to make sure he caught his connecting flight with destiny. How providential that the FBI didn't have to look very hard at all before "all the answers" conveniently tumbled out of Atta's rental-car trunk.<br /><br />The trunk contained the "real names" of all 19 "terrorists", a Koran, a "terrorist training manual", and his last will and testament. Never mind that a terrorist who was planning on dive-bombing major commercial properties in a concerted effort to meet his maker in a fiery explosion would probably never bring their final wishes for the disposition of their estates onto the very plane that they were planning on immolating. Don't you think that all the charring would interfere with clearly determining Mr. Atta's wishes once he was no longer able to speak for himself? Don't you think a "brilliant" terrorist leader able to fearlessly thwart the best defensive efforts of the North American air-defense system would figure out this one little iron-clad rule of organic chemistry -- documents made of paper generally burst into flames when exposed to tens of thousands of gallons of exploding jet fuel.<br /><br />I have my doubts about kerosene's ability to melt or soften industrial-grade construction girders made of hardened steel, but I'm sure that little piece of paper would have been toast, making his relatives' already burdensome task of resolving his probate issues even harder. What a thoughtless bastard, eh?<br /><br />Good thing he spaced out on the Samsonite. Otherwise we might never have "learned" what "really" happened. Seems like even on one of it's worst days ever, America the beautiful caught a break when, in a moment of confusion or weakness, Atta fatefully "left" his satchel of incriminating evidence behind for the diligent "investigators" of the FBI to "find" in that abandoned rental car.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our military forces in Anbar are killing and capturing Al Qaida leaders and protecting the local population. Recently, local tribal leaders have begun to show their willingness to take on Al Qaida. As a result, our commanders believe we have an opportunity to deal a serious blow to the terrorists.</span><br /><br />So who are these "leaders" that we keep killing and capturing? I don't remember any of them ever being named in the media. Ever since the phantasmic Abu Musab al Zarqawi was allegedly killed many months ago, the forces of Al-Kayda-in-Irack have barely caused a ripple of newsworthy trouble. But that doesn't really seem to matter. They've been juiced up at the designated boogeyman, and they represent the only even theoretically justifiable idea why we have so many of our young citizens tromping around the country getting contantly shot at and explosively ambushed.<br /><br />Bush has to somehow create a plausible scenario where they still constitute a credible threat. Otherwise he has absolutely nowhere to go. He knows this, and the justifications get weaker and weaker as the canard gets more and more obvious and the justification attempts chase their tails into dizziness.<br /><br />Time to sit down. The room is spinning...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">So I have given orders to increase American forces in Anbar province by 4,000 troops. These troops will work with Iraqi and tribal forces to step up the pressure on the terrorists. America's men and women in uniform took away Al Qaida's safe haven in Afghanistan, and we will not allow them to re-establish it in Iraq.</span><br /><br />Anbar province is 30,000 square miles in size. That amounts to one more US soldier for every eight or so square miles. So this isn't just for show, eh? Yah... Right. I'm sure the bad guys will just scamper back to Syria at the first sign of the reinforced calvary coming over the hill. All will be right in the world again, and peace and tranquility can safely return to this arid yet beautiful landscape.<br /><br />Maybe this IS a good idea after all. Since it's surely going to work... right?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Succeeding in Iraq also requires defending its territorial integrity and stabilizing the region in the face of the extremist challenge.</span><br /><br />Well Iraqi territorial "integrity" is a matter of imposed colonial mandate, and not quite a "thing" in and of itself. One reason that Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds all fight bitterly amongst themselves is that they were all forced into a live-together arrangement by their former colonial masters, the British. So it's a good thing to spend someone's finance's life to "defend". Surely it's worth a brother or two (or 2700). Maybe a couple of fathers. How about a former kindergarten teacher just back for his second tour? Or a twenty year old medical student ready to ship back home in a week.<br /><br />Amazing how war authors so many bitter personal tragedies.<br /><br />My opinion is that Iraqi "territorial integrity" is really the opposite goal of what they're trying to achieve. They're suggesting that they are committed to making sure Iraq remains one country, but their actions speak otherwise. It's the opinion of many observers that the US seeks ultimately break Iraq up into smaller pseudo-states, where they can have more control through corruption and intimidation than they are able to achieve now.<br /><br />The "Extremist Challenge"? Sounds like a new reality TV Show. Like "Batchelors in Baghdad". How does one "sabilize" a region in the face of such a challenge? What exactly are the "extremist" positions that challenge us so much? U.S. out of Iraq? Justice for the Palestinians? A return to Sunni dominance in Iraqi affairs? A cultural and political alliance with neighboring Shia Iran? Supression of women's rights? Opposition to international finance agencies?<br /><br />The fantasy of Iraqis somehow organizing an Islam-wide Caliphate is pretty ridiculous on its face, considering how difficult it is for them to agree even with each other.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.</span><br /><br />First of all, Syria and Iran are "countries", not "regimes". "Addressing" in this context doesn't mean "speaking to", as in, "I addressed the assembly". Instead it means "attack and initiate covert operations against". The Neo-Cons are still chomping at the bit for a middle-east-wide expanded conflict, despite the miserable disasters their existing projects have turned out to be. "Interrupting the flow of support" apparently also includes illegally arresting ambassadors in their embassies, clearly an act of war provocation. If any other country did that to the US, there would be hell to pay, and rightly so. Who the bleep do we think we are to blatantly disregard all previous norms of international diplomacy and behavior and proceed with this kind of operation?<br /><br />And where is the proof for all this? Have we actually observed people moving across the border at officially sanctioned crossings with the apparent complicity of the local authorities? Hell no. If we had, the footage would have been all over the news already.<br /><br />All this has echoes of another country nearby to the territory that we have chosen to invade. That one is called Cambodia. As many as five million people died as a result of our expanding the war to include it. Read Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent for the full brutal details.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We are also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region.</span><br /><br />Oh good. Another carrier strike group. Slick way to add more troops to the region without actually announcing it like that's what you're doing. I've never heard the personnel from this group included in the totals of any estimates of the troop increase, but it's about another 6500 souls. Sounds like a major escalation to me, and perhaps (especially when combined with the last couple lines of the speech) a harbringer of a major series of air strikes against Iran.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We will expand intelligence sharing, and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. We will work with the governments of Turkey and Iraq to help them resolve problems along their border. And we will work with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the region.</span><br /><br />Well the work that the Americans have done to help Iran take a more dominant role in the Persian Gulf region could hardly have been done by anyone else, so it's hard to believe that the US really is seeking to diminish Iranian influence. Removing Iran's arch-enemy Saddam Hussein was a gift to the mullahs akin to Bob McFarlane's frosted cake. That symbolic pastry was the harbringer of many shipments of sophisticated American weapons and spare parts to the Iranians. The Israelis, believe it or not, were the conduit, happily shipping (fronting even) boatloads of ordinance to Teheran on the promise that the US would resupply them, plus a little "cooperation bonus".<br /><br />But the Bush 41 October Surprise treason is another story, although connected and still highly relevant to the situation today. Funny how the hostages were released the very hour Reagan was inaugurated. Funny how everyone alleged to be involved in that plot denies it but can't actually place there whereabouts on the day they were reported to be meeting with the Iranians in Paris. You'd think it was an outrageous claim, except that it comes from the former Iranian President at that time, who would actually be in a position to have known.<br /><br />Notice also how Bush says the US will deploy Patriot air defense systems to "reassure", rather than "defend" our friends and allies. Who exactly are these people anyway. He doesn't name any specific countries that Patriot batteries will be deployed to, but that's OK, because IEDs and snipers are not effectively deterred by Anti-Missile Missiles, and they seem to be the most deadly threat on the ground right now.<br /><br />Turkey and Iraq have a very complicated political problem on their border, called the Kurds. Too bad for the Turks that the Kurds are the only US ally in Iraq and so as such receive special favors from the Americans. Too bad for the Kurds that whenever they have ever trusted or relied upon the US in the past, they have been royally screwed for their foolishness.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We will use America's full diplomatic resources to rally support for Iraq from nations throughout the Middle East. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and the Gulf States need to understand that an American defeat in Iraq would create a new sanctuary for extremists and a strategic threat to their survival.</span><br /><br />Sounds like a not-so-subtle threat to cause some kind of an "accident" for the aforementioned countries should they balk at providing the US sufficient cover and support for their attack on whatever it is we're fighting in Iraq. Notice how the political entities on this US friendly list are referred to as "countries", instead of "regimes", although most are autocracies with little individual freedom or respect for human rights.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">These nations have a stake in a successful Iraq that is at peace with its neighbors, and they must step up their support for Iraq's unity government.</span><br /><br />"That's MUST. Did you hear me. Don't make me get all Shock-and-Awe on your ass. I will. You know it."<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We endorse the Iraqi government's call to finalize an international compact that will bring new economic assistance in exchange for greater economic reform.</span><br /><br />How does he exactly propose to "reform" the shredded meltdown that is the current Iraqi economy? How can "reform" in such a context be offered as an exchange for anything? Does he really mean "reforms" that strengthen the ever expanding US business dominance of the Iraqi economy. I think the reforms he has in mind are pretty specific and deal with the rights for who will control the extraction, refinement, and sale of the vast pool of petroleum that lies innocently beneath the Iraqi desert sands, mere fathoms from the light of day.<br /><br />So I think the strategy is: "Starve and deprive them to death until they agree to hand every last one of the country's assets over to US control in a way that we can say that they asked us to do it."<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">And, on Friday, Secretary Rice will leave for the region to build support for Iraq and continue the urgent diplomacy required to help bring peace to the Middle East.</span><br /><br />Given the rest of the current reality, I'd be shocked if this wasn't a complete waste of time, given that she will be advancing no new proposals or interesting ideas. The debate is over. The US needs to get its soldiers out of Iraq now, or continue to hack away at the body politic and the countries armed forces. Some of the most strident voices calling for immediate withdrawal are right up in the mid to high levels of the on-the-sand military command structure. The know the game is over. No amount of "diplomacy" is going to save the US vision of its victory dance now.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The challenge playing out across the broader Middle East is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of our time. On one side are those who believe in freedom and moderation. On the other side are extremists who kill the innocent, and have declared their intention to destroy our way of life.</span><br /><br />Whoa, whoa, whoa... Are you saying, George, that you'all believe in "moderation"?!? Since when???<br /><br />Do only "extremists" "kill the innocent"? How about American or other coalition country's G.I.s? Are all the folks killed by them "guilty" of something? Other than just being in the way?<br /><br />Seems to me that I remember many employees of your administration described as "extremists" themselves. Who are the "moderates" in your crowd? Your adoring public would love to know. At least I would. Must be people I've never heard of that you've kept securely under wraps until now. Are you planning a big coming out party?<br /><br />Somehow I doubt it. I've always thought you preferred extremists to moderates. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle, Krystol, Haggard, Robertson. Sounds like a frickin' Extremists Hall of Fame if you ask me. Are these the "moderates" you suggest love freedom so much? Or are they the "extremists" who are trying to "destroy our way of life"?<br /><br />They seem pretty extreme according to my world view. Their agenda actively seeks to create a world that I'm not eager to sign up to live in. It's like psychosis meets venality writ large. Almost everything they stand for is anathema to my innermost political and spiritual beliefs.<br /><br />Decisive ideological struggle, yea. But once again George, you've got the sides and the stakes and the desired outcomes totally, totally, wrong.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">In the long run, the most realistic way to protect the American people is to provide a hopeful alternative to the hateful ideology of the enemy, by advancing liberty across a troubled region. It is in the interests of the United States to stand with the brave men and women who are risking their lives to claim their freedom, and help them as they work to raise up just and hopeful societies across the Middle East.</span><br /><br />Yea... kinda like a... crusade, eh?<br /><br />Again I ask: Who exactly is the "enemy"? What exactly is this "hateful ideology" and where is it written down? What groups that are not in the direct or indirect employ of the United States covert services have claimed it to be their own? Exactly what military capabilities and territorial resources do these individuals or groups have? Who are the brave men and women who are risking their lives to claim their freedom who are on our side in this conflict? Can you name ten?<br /><br />And I think you mangled your words again. When you said "just and hopeful societies", I think you meant, "just hopeful", as in, no real progress, just "hope" pumped in via ideological transfusion a la Voice of America, etc.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">From Afghanistan to Lebanon to the Palestinian Territories, millions of ordinary people are sick of the violence and want a future of peace and opportunity for their children. And they are looking at Iraq.</span><br /><br />Add to that, the United States of America. We are sick of the violence, Mr. President. We told you that in November. What are you, deaf??? Or just stupid?? Or both?<br /><br />We also want a future of peace and opportunity for our children. You know, the ones being sent to Dover via special night cargo plane? Or shipped off discreetly to Walter Reed to languish in pain -- silent testimony to the consequences of your decisions.<br /><br />Yes, we are looking at Iraq, and we are looking at you. We are wondering what demon or psychoses or syphilitic insanity has taken hold of your mind and our nation. I don't know what you see there, but I see the very gates of Hell.<br /><br />This is reality. We know this. Your lies are no longer working.<br /><br />You must know that too. Why do you persist?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">They want to know: Will America withdraw and yield the future of that country to the extremists, or will we stand with the Iraqis who have made the choice for freedom?</span><br /><br />We can't stand up with the Iraqis who have made a choice for freedom, cause their choice inevitably involves freedom <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">from us</span>. The future of the country has already been yielded to extremists, in the Bush Administration.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The changes I have outlined tonight are aimed at ensuring the survival of a young democracy that is fighting for its life in a part of the world of enormous importance to American security.</span><br /><br />No they are not. They are designed to salvage the American attempt to secure a permanent beachhead (including permanent force-projecting military bases) in the most oil-rich region in the world.<br /><br />Any other attempt to explain our rationale for being there and continuing to do what we are doing is a bald faced lie.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Let me be clear: The terrorists and insurgents in Iraq are without conscience, and they will make the year ahead bloody and violent. Even if our new strategy works exactly as planned, deadly acts of violence will continue. And we must expect more Iraqi and American casualties.</span><br /><br />Soooo.... even if this works exactly, more Americans are going to die. I suppose if it doesn't work quite exactly (and the track record for things-Iraqi working "exactly as planned" is fairly dismal), that just means that LOTS more Americans are going to die.<br /><br />You imply that you have a conscience, since the "terrorists and insurgents" (I thought they were one and the same, are they different?) are without one, and you seem to suggest that you are the opposite of what ever they are. Yet by accepting the inevitability of more US and Iraqi casualties, you ensure that more mothers, fathers, wives, children, and friends of servicemembers will hear the heart-stopping, devastating, mind-numbing news that another hero has fallen, a hero that they knew personally, and has now been sacrificed on the altar of the PNAC Church of Omnipotent Hegemony. That you repeatedly march blithely into this abyss of your own making would imply that you see in others that which is in your own heart. Without true feelings for the human beings you order destroyed and empathy for the heartbroken loved ones they leave behind, your claims to conscience are as laughable as your claims that 20,000 (or 26,500, if you count the Aircraft Carrier) more troops will ultimately lead to the pacification of Baghdad and the flourishing of Jeffersonian Democracy in Iraq.<br /><br />It's just not gonna happen, and your pretenses to the contrary are making you and our country a laughing stock the world over.<br /><br />But you're kinda like the bully in the room with a live hand grenade.<br /><br />To get everyone's attention, he pulls the pin and holds it aloft and declares that if everybody doesn't do exactly as he says and everything doesn't work out exactly like he wants he's going to throw it into the middle of the room and kill everyone.<br /><br />Yikes! He's PROMISING everyone more death and destruction. What the hell is going on here?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The question is whether our new strategy will bring us closer to success. I believe that it will.</span><br /><br />Yea... and we should ascribe to your beliefs because you've always been right before about Iraq?<br /><br />It doesn't seem like you are analyzing the question, just giving your stock answer. I think you've got a big credibility problem, Mr. President. You can "believe" something now yourself, but it has little effect on our opinion of what that thing means, unless you count all those who automatically believe the opposite, just because you take a particular position. Many folks the world over think that whatever you want, they're against it, for their own survival and the survival of us all.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship.</span><br /><br />You're right. This time the surrender ceremony will be on the helipad on the roof of the embassy, just like the last one was.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">But victory in Iraq will bring something new in the Arab world: a functioning democracy that polices its territory, upholds the rule of law, respects fundamental human liberties, and answers to its people. A democratic Iraq will not be perfect. But it will be a country that fights terrorists instead of harboring them, and it will help bring a future of peace and security for our children and grandchildren.</span><br /><br />Like I said in the beginning, I have just GOT to meet his dealer. Dude's trippin...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our new approach comes after consultations with Congress about the different courses we could take in Iraq.</span><br /><br />As in, we emailed them the text of this speech over a half hour ago.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Many are concerned that the Iraqis are becoming too dependent on the United States and, therefore, our policy should focus on protecting Iraq's borders and hunting down Al Qaida. Their solution is to scale back America's efforts in Baghdad or announce the phased withdrawal of our combat forces.</span><br /><br />You scrambled it again, so let me make it clear. I'm calling for the immediate commencement of full withdrawal of US forces. Nothing else is justified morally, politically, or economically.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We carefully considered these proposals. And we concluded that to step back now would force a collapse of the Iraqi government, tear that country apart, and result in mass killings on an unimaginable scale.</span><br /><br />"I don't know lady, I've got a hell of an imagination," said Han Solo to Princess Leia, as she offered him "more money than he could possibly imagine" to participate in the rebellion.<br /><br />Wouldn't stepping back "potentially cause" a collapse of the government instead of "force" one. Are the US commanders and troops the only ones who can defend the government compounds from Iraqis who feel underrepresented? I guess the situation must be pretty damn bad...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Such a scenario would result in our troops being forced to stay in Iraq even longer, and confront an enemy that is even more lethal. If we increase our support at this crucial moment, and help the Iraqis break the current cycle of violence, we can hasten the day our troops begin coming home.</span><br /><br />We've got "ignorance is strength" writ large here. What you're saying is that if we "withdraw" our troops, they'll actually have to "stay" longer??? I don't think they would be "forced" to stay. The US has easily the best heavy airlift capability in the world, and I dare say the Iraqis would hold off on attacking us for a few days if we were really clearly on our way out.<br /><br />More violence will not "break the cycle" of violence in any way. It will just cause more death, destruction, dispair, dismemberment and social disintegration. You know this. Why do you lie to us so.<br /><br />Ignorance is strength, indeed.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">In the days ahead, my national security team will fully brief Congress on our new strategy. If members have improvements that can be made, we will make them. If circumstances change, we will adjust.</span><br /><br />In other words, read the email and shut up. Notice I didn't say improvements that "should" be made, only "can". Since you alone decide which improvements "can" be made, then it's easy to reject them out of hand. "If circumstances change" is a curious way to posit your willingness to adjust, because circumstances have already changed, and that is the subject of tonight's speech, no?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Honorable people have different views, and they will voice their criticisms. It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny. And all involved have a responsibility to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed.</span><br /><br />Well I'm glad you won't be sending up a van to kidnap me and whisk me to one of those new Halliburton Homeland Security Detention Camps. Or will you be? I don't know if you consider me a "honorable" person. Is there a list? Like the "do not fly" list? Is it online? Maybe www.HonorableCitizens.com?? Get your name on that list or you can be subjected to some very nasty government abuse.<br /><br />But you allege that you think it's fair to hold your views up to scrutiny, although that doesn't mean I can necessarily hold your policy prescriptions up to scrutiny. That might still be a felony, I guess. But I do think I've explained myself more clearly than you have, sir. I've certainly used more words...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Acting on the good advice of Senator Joe Lieberman and other key members of Congress, we will form a new, bipartisan working group that will help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror. This group will meet regularly with me and my Administration, and it will help strengthen our relationship with Congress.</span><br /><br />The only problem here is that, judging from the fact that it was Lieberman's idea (and the fact that you usually brook no dissent) is that "bipartisan" does not mean "multi-opinioned". Instead it seems like you want cover for your ideas and an illusion of consensus, not real debate that could lead to consensus.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We can begin by working together to increase the size of the active Army and Marine Corps, so that America has the armed forces we need for the 21st century. We also need to examine ways to mobilize talented American civilians to deploy overseas, where they can help build democratic institutions in communities and nations recovering from war and tyranny.</span><br /><br />We need a bigger military so that we can be the world's policeman, eh? That's the plan for the 21st century? And it sounds like he's talking about a civillian draft for more experiments in "nation building." Didn't you ridicule Al Gore for the Clinton Administration's attempts to do the same thing for the same reasons? You raise hypocracy to a fine art. Seems like a Republican specialty nowadays.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">In these dangerous times, the United States is blessed to have extraordinary and selfless men and women willing to step forward and defend us. These young Americans understand that our cause in Iraq is noble and necessary, and that the advance of freedom is the calling of our time.</span><br /><br />These are indeed dangerous times. No more so than if you live in Iraq right now. The young Americans who volunteer for service in our armed forces are indeed extraordinary and selfless, but they're also smart. So they don't "understand" how this "cause" is noble or even necessary. Even if the "advance of freedom" is the calling of our time(s), nobody thinks that your agenda will actually promote "freedom" in the sense that US citizens have come to understand it. Nobody. At least nobody who's a "young American" that I've encountered in the last year. Every single person under the age of thirty that I've met or discussed the matter with has expressed vehement opposition to this war. Every single one, and I've spoken to dozens. I'm not sure which young people he's talking to, but I'd submit he hasn't had a meaningful conversation with anyone who would actually qualify. He doesn't even allow people who oppose his policies to be present at his public addresses, let alone debate with some rambunctious teenagers who aren't really hip on going to Iraq and shooting the place up.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">They serve far from their families, who make the quiet sacrifices of lonely holidays and empty chairs at the dinner table. They have watched their comrades give their lives to ensure our liberty.</span><br /><br />You forgot the not-quite-as-quiet sacrifices of carrying flag-draped coffins to waiting holes in the ground and visiting shattered loved ones as they languish, under-served and under-appreciated, in military hospitals and convalescent facilities across the country. The sobbing and wailing breaks the quiet you imagine, although I can see how you wouldn't think about this because you've never attended a soldier's funeral and have paid almost no attention to the grievously injured from this war.<br /><br />Notice how you didn't mention the words "injured", "disabled", "paralyzed", "maimed", "dismembered", "blinded", or "brain damaged" when referring to any of the citizen-soldiers you cite as being supportive of your cause and worthy of our prayers. Are you unaware of these people? Or is this just part of the spin machine, where if you don't mention something it just kinda fades into the background.<br /><br />It would be nice if it worked that way, but their pain, and their family's pain, lingers ever onward. Good thing that the folks in Afghanistan have ramped up their opium poppy production. We need the morphine.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We mourn the loss of every fallen American, and we owe it to them to build a future worthy of their sacrifice.</span><br /><br />Note to linguistic purists: does "fallen" include "blown to bits"? Shouldn't "loss" be properly described as "blood sacrifice". Isn't this what we're doing? They didn't get lost, they're dead. They didn't "fall", they were shot, or blown up, or died in a helicopter crash (I guess you could call that "falling"), or sickened and died from some mysterious ailment that nobody can figure out yet. Many also committed suicide. Many more are psychologically damaged for life. The repercussions of that one fact alone will spiderweb out to cause ongoing tragedy for the next fifty years, no matter what else happens here or in Iraq from now on.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Fellow citizens: The year ahead will demand more patience, sacrifice and resolve. It can be tempting to think that America can put aside the burdens of freedom.</span><br /><br />Patience as you resolve to sacrifice more of our sons and daughters. Patience as you resolve to sacrifice more of our mothers and fathers. Patience as you resolve to sacrifice more of our husbands and wives, girlfriends and boyfriends, lifelong friends, neighbors, and co-workers. You sit atop your Aztec temple, the very high priest yourself, cutting out the heart of the captured American spirit, holding it aloft to please your war god, and kicking it's now-limp body down the steps of the pyramid to show the masses who's really in charge.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Putting aside the burdens of freedom would be us allowing you to continue to act in this way. I for one have no intention of putting aside this responsibility.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Yet times of testing reveal the character of a nation.</span><br /><br />The character of a nation is the net sum of the good and bad will of its people. Sadly, we must focus with all our collective might to undo the damage you and your minions hath wrought.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">And, throughout our history, Americans have always defied the pessimists and seen our faith in freedom redeemed. Now America is engaged in a new struggle that will set the course for a new century. We can and we will prevail.</span><br /><br />So true, Mr. President, but not the struggle you imagine. The struggle is against you and your team and your glorification of death and destruction for motives clearly the opposite of what you claim them to be.<br /><br />The Project for a New American Century envisions a world where America is the sole ruler, dishing out brutal discipline to any who dare oppose, even rhetorically, America's designs on the world and its resources.<br /><br />Their "New Pearl Harbor" was the 9/11 psy-op. Their "Enabling Law" (Patriot Act) was already prepared and photocopied for distribution, long enough so that no one who mattered would ever bother to read the whole thing.<br /><br />The march to active war in Iraq started (at least officially) the very next day.<br /><br />We see it's all a scam, sir. We'd better prevail, against you, and your agenda, or a life of brutality, despair, and global destruction is all we realistically have a chance of looking forward to.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We go forward with trust that the author of liberty will guide us through these trying hours. Thank you and good night.</span><br /><br />I've said my piece. I look forward to peoples' comments.<br /><br />END<br /><br />Commentary by <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/">David Caputo</a> - <a href="http://www.totallyfixed.com/">Totally Fixed and Rigged Magazine</a><br />....<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-81457150410975527242007-01-02T19:40:00.000-05:002007-01-06T14:12:08.067-05:00Support REAL Human Rights Work and Investigative Journalism in Congo and DarfurEditor's Note: This is an end/beginning-of-year message and call for help from Keith Harmon Snow, award-winning photojournalist and human rights activist who's work is featured at his site <a href="http://allthingspass.com/">AllThingsPass.com</a> - Please read this important message and consider supporting Keith and his work. - <a href="http://totallyfixed.com/">D.C.</a><br /><p>--------------------------------------------------</p><p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://allthingspass.com/images/Mbk1girlUSA.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://allthingspass.com/images/Mbk1girlUSA.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a></p><p>Hello</p> <p>Its New Year's eve, and I'm at home alone working. I like that. It feels right. There's nothing to celebrate, and everything to celebrate, at the same time. Tomorrow is just another day, for me, and not "just" -- it's another <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_Stories">amazing</a> day in life, and no more or less a reason to celebrate than today or yesterday or some day two weeks from now. So, Happy New Year!</p> <p>Life is full of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles">miracles</a>.</p> <p>Now I'm going to talk about <a href="http://allthingspass.com/biography_slideshow.html">me</a>, and <a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/">my work</a>, so please forgive me. And my email is long, so forgive me for that. Maybe print it out, or get a cup of tea and a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumpet">crumpet</a>, and digest it properly, even savor it.<br /></p> <p>I could begin by telling some <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/09/BAGSVHL5KG1.DTL">horror stories</a> about <a href="http://allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=24">genocide</a> in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan">Sudan</a> and <a href="http://zmagsite.zmag.org/JulAug2006/snow0706.html">slavery</a> in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo">Congo</a>, because these are two stories I am working on. But I am also working on stories about caring and sharing, and about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love">love</a>. And that is why I do this work, the rewards of people sharing their humanity with me, and the humility it teaches and the rewards of sharing it with you.</p> <p>I'm writing tonight to tell you what's going on, and to announce the <a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=17#">Reporting with HEART</a> Journalism Apprenticeship Program I hope to run this summer, and to ask for your help. Please read on, you will be surprised, one way or another, I assure you.</p> <p>*</p> <p>The details of the <a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=17#">Reporting with HEART</a> Journalism Apprenticeship Program have now been decided. Please have a look, and pass the word to other folks.</p><p>Since July I have been achieving high visibility with my work. I have given seven major lectures, at <a href="http://www.voicesofopposition.org/">University of Arizona</a>, <a href="http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/bycat.php?q=international">Berkeley Grad School of Journalism</a>, <a href="http://www.loyolaphoenix.com/media/storage/paper673/news/2006/12/06/News/Hidden.Reality-2523951.shtml?norewrite200701022119&sourcedomain=www.loyolaphoenix.com">Loyola University</a> and the <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/conference.htm">Project Censored Conference</a> at <a href="http://www.sonoma.edu/">Sonoma State</a>, where I accepted my <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm">fourth Project Censored award</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://www.npr.org/search.php?text=congo&sort=DREDATE%3Anumberdecreasing&aggId=0&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;prgId=0&topicId=0&how_long_ago=0">National Public Radio</a> has carried two reports with me. The popular West Coast radio program <a href="http://gunsandbutter.net/">Guns & Butter</a> with <a href="http://www.gunsandbutter.net/about.php">Bonnie Faulkner</a> has carried some (four) hour long shows featuring me and my work on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa">Africa</a>. <a href="http://wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=36">WBAI</a> (NY) and other programs have also been interviewing me. These programs can all be listened to <a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=14#">here</a>.<br /></p> <p>*</p><p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://allthingspass.com/images/front_page1.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://allthingspass.com/images/front_page1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a></p> <p>My work in <a href="http://congovoices.blogspot.com/">Congo</a> has proceeded amazingly, mysteriously, and before I can release some of the most important information and stories I have worked on, over the past four years, I need to return to Congo one more time. I have a team of Congolese who I now support, and through the now growing organization <a href="http://www.friendsofthecongo.com/">Friends of the Congo</a> which has named me as a director, I have funneled funds to my team to support medical assessments for oppressed workers on <a href="http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper705.html">Western-owned enterprises</a> in the heart of the Congo. This is my slavery story, and it's awful, and I am thankful that people like you in the past have helped to get me there and open my eyes, and see. Because we are going to change these people's lives for the <a href="http://content.undp.org/go/newsroom/choices-microcredit-at-work-2003-06.en;jsessionid=a887JVA2xuU6#Congo">better</a>, I am certain, and I am talking about six huge enterprises with around 2500 people at each. My trip will finalize other ongoing investigations as well. But I need help.</p> <p>I am working now to raise funds to return to <a href="http://www.congo-pages.org/geo.htm">Congo</a> to verify and document the atrocities and suffering and injustices these deeply humble folks, my partners in Congo, have described. They had not been downriver to the see things for themselves, so my meagre funds made that possible. They have asked for a digital camera (and it will be the second digital camera I will have delivered to trusted and dedicated doctors in Congo) to help them bring to global awareness the reasons – all fixable -- for <a href="http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7407">epidemics</a> in their land. But I promised to spare you the tragic details.</p> <p>Can you help me with this trip? How about a $100 donation. If you can't do that, $50, or even $20. Twenty dollars is nothing to an American. I'm not interested in guilt or shame, so when I say that most people can afford $100 I say it because its true, and because I am interested in doing what I can, and for that I need you to help me out.</p> <p>Please listen to the following story before you make any decisions.</p> <p>One of my partners, Ilunga Bwana, I have to tell you about him, because he's the gentlest and kindest man, and few human beings have touched me so deeply. He will do anything for me, and he is my translator, fixer, guide, and motorcycle driver. He is my good friend. Ilunga was driving his little 250cc cycle, me a passenger behind him, and he yelled back to me as we bumped over this washed out excuse for a road:</p> <p>"You know, I will not be able to do what I wanted to do in my life." I yelled back, the wind in my face, "Why not?" "Because today is my birthday," he said, "and I am 43." "Happy Birthday" I replied. "What's the problem with that?" And Ilunga said: "The <a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/Cause_Death_Inequality.html">average age of death</a> for men in Congo is 43."</p> <p>I promised Ilunga I would help him and his family. Can you make a donation of $100 to help with setting up our local operations in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanleyville">Kisangani</a>, DRC? Ilunga is a linguistics professor at the University of Kisangani, and his dream is to come to America and meet <a href="http://www.chomsky.info/">Noam Chomsky</a> (whose linguistics work revolutionized the theory of grammar).</p> <p>Can you help us get to these enterprises? How about a $200 donation to help me get medical supplies where they are needed? When you hear the story, later, you will be able to say: I made that happen. When you hear the horrors of it, you will be deeply moved to remember that you helped.</p> <p>I need support for this Congo mission, and I am still in debt from the mission to cover the elections last August. On this last trip I traveled around on the campaign trail with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo">current presidents</a>' sister, so that tells you how deeply I am in it.</p> <p>But my work in Africa is not limited to Congo. On 13 December 2006 I <a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=13">released the report</a> that I co-authored with a human rights lawyer, both of us under contract with UNICEF last year, about <a href="http://www.sidamaconcern.com/politics_of_genocide__ethiopia.htm">genocide in Ethiopia</a>. I released this without authorization from the UN, the reasons of which are spelled out in the press release I issued with the report.</p><p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj7aQtTRXH8dMIeVoCDse49YQWE6VquKplggFchpK8Sb_t95j49bIkOObtYzYMZrzvtZm5-crrIdxCuOseLS6gciOnzAjxgiADBpBLUfBE5VLdQ5X1J4KY6r8wUwcXKVkpvHcbWX1x2mw/s1600-h/allthingspasspic1.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj7aQtTRXH8dMIeVoCDse49YQWE6VquKplggFchpK8Sb_t95j49bIkOObtYzYMZrzvtZm5-crrIdxCuOseLS6gciOnzAjxgiADBpBLUfBE5VLdQ5X1J4KY6r8wUwcXKVkpvHcbWX1x2mw/s320/allthingspasspic1.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5016106261167164738" border="0" /></a></p> <p>Today Somalia as been overrun by Ethiopian soldiers, and my WBAI interviews this past week explored <a href="http://www.traprockpeace.org/dafur_maps.html">the reasons behind the war: oil</a>. The US backs Ethiopia, and there's big oil in both countries, and the indigenous people in Ethiopia are under attack by their own government, and the <a href="http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention/2004/1119scent.htm">US military</a> is behind it all; Israel is also involved, in Ethiopia, as in Congo (mining), and that is yet another story that will move you when you hear it. I cannot go to Ethiopia now, I would be arrested and tortured.</p> <p>My biggest concern today is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict">Darfur, Sudan</a>. This concern is driven by a healthy sense of outrage. You have seen the advertisements, and heard it on the news. But the claims of 4 million at risk of death, of over 425,000 dead -- these simply do not add up. If you have not read the illuminating book by <a href="http://www.netnomad.com/might.html">Michael Maren</a>, <a href="http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/books/maren.htm">THE ROAD TO HELL</a>: The Ravaging Effects of Foreign Aid and International Charity -- you absolutely must.</p> <p>If you are donating to <a href="http://www.savethechildren.org/">Save the Children</a>, or <a href="http://www.care.org/">CARE</a>, or <a href="http://www.unicef.org/">UNICEF</a>, take comfort in knowing that you are paying some American salaries in New York or Connecticut, or even some big salaries for white people in Ethiopia, or you are funding subsidies for big farming companies (Agribusiness) in Kansas. But if you want to help people desperately in need, switch your allegiance to a grass roots effort like this one or the <a href="http://stopexcision.net/">stop excision</a> project run by <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stopexcision/report.html">Susan McLucas</a>.<br /></p> <p>The position I have taken is that "intervention" in Sudan is wrong, because it is not about saving lives, but a <a href="http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0807-Darfur.html">massive military campaign</a> in which we are already deeply involved and for which the US is culpable and responsible. It is a war. It is <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FLO20060606&articleId=2592">about oil</a>.</p> <p>For this position I have come under fire from many sides. Indeed, on 26 December 2006, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Reeves">Dr. Eric Reeves</a> of <a href="http://smith.edu/">Smith College</a> -- the leading Western "writer" and "expert" on Sudan -- in a letter to the editor published in the local <a href="http://gazettenet.com/">Daily Hampshire Gazette</a> definitively called me a liar, in effect, over and over, as he denied the oil connection I and others have established. First, there simply was no question: "it's not about oil (stupid)". Then, when we established the oil connection definatively, it became, "well, that's not relevant, its only incidental, oil doesn't play a factor here." Now its back to: "there is absolutely no oil connection to Darfur!" You can find the letter on my web site, and there you will find the oil maps from the industry itself, and I will soon post a writing<o:p></o:p> which shows where the truth really lies. (Please check back.) http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=24</p> <p>If you want to know the truth about Darfur, help me get there. I am convinced that the true facts (the numbers of dead, the parties accused of killing, the reasons for the conflict, oil, copper, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gum_arabic">gum arabic</a>), have all been manipulated, or hidden, by the US media, which seeks to overthrow -- with popular American public support -- the Islamic government of Sudan.</p> <p>Famine and horror are commodities. The worse the suffering looks, the better it sells, and AID -- or the perversity we call AID -- is a big, hungry business, and like any business it needs to develop and exploit its markets. This is the real horror story. Save the Children is a money pot. This, indeed, is THE ROAD TO HELL. (please read that book.)</p> <p>My work is to bring voice to the voiceless. Please make a donation today. For those who have never contributed to my work, I ask you: what are waiting for?</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide">Genocide</a>?</p> <p>You would never demand such stringent accountability, for example, from the oil companies you subsidize every day. Please consider a $100 donation, or a $50 donation, or a $20 twenty dollar donation, at least.</p> <p>After seeing the plethora of $75,000 <a href="http://darfur.3cdn.net/b6dbfce338879b9d30_dom6i2pzj.pdf">SAVE DARFUR ads</a> running in the New York Times, and the TV commercials exploiting starving children to manipulate our hearts, and the SAVE DARFUR <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/30/AR2006043001060.html">video war games</a> for kids, I am no longer afraid of the taboo that surrounds asking for money from those who can afford to give it. And I know that most everyone can afford to give something.</p> <p>For those who have contributed, and you now who you are, I am grateful. For those who just don't have it, of course, I don't want it from you. If you are facing hospital bills or illness, take care of your self, take care of your family.</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_%28Pink_Floyd_song%29">Money</a> is an issue that surrounds comfort and privilege in America and the very foundations of our societal wealth are built on the past 500 years of exploitation of Africa -- the past 50 years being amongst the most devastating. Sadly, my book will make that clear. Thats not an accusation, its just straight talk. We have to give something back, here's your chance. I want to be able to look my friend Ilunga straight in the eye and tell him that people like you care, that it will be all right, that he will live to see his dream. Because I know you care, just as much as I do, and what I am asking is that you let go of the uncertainty and indecision and doubt and skepticsm and fear... and help us out.</p> <p>I don't (yet) have any big foundation grants. And, you know, my best supporter is a 25 year-old nursing student who lives in Boston, who was once a biketripper on the two-week bicycle tour I led when he was seventeen! He's not rich, and he works really hard for his money: he just believes it's the right thing to do.</p> <p>And that's my end-of-year, beginning-of-year email plea. No bullshit, no power politics, and-- no matter what you might think – no pressure. Its time now to push the send button, and let it all go. All things pass.</p> <p>Bless you in your sleep, happy awakening.</p> <p>love</p> <p>keith</p> <p>P.S. People can donate via paypal on <a href="http://allthingspass.com/">my web site</a> or by mail to keith harmon snow -- 84 Goshen Road, Williamsburg, MA 01096. Any large donations seeking tax exemption status can be made through the <a href="http://www.friendsofthecongo.com/">Friends of the Congo</a>. Just send an email to me and to them in advance explaining that you'd like the funds to support my projects, and which of these you'd like it to be used for. </p> <p>-- </p> <p>All things pass, so too will i</p> <p>keith harmon snow</p> <p>USA</p> <p><a href="http://www.allthingspass.com/">AllThingsPass.com</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.stopexcision.net/">StopExcision.net</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-38156501568698347122006-12-30T03:45:00.000-05:002007-01-02T12:01:35.314-05:00Saddam Hussein - R.I.P.So the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/">Grand Poobah of all-that-was-evil</a> has finally been <a href="http://www.tribstar.com/breakingnews/local_story_364004329.html">executed</a> after what must have seemed like interminable delays to the <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227595,00.html">eager Bush administration</a>.<br /><br />Of course the big question is, "What to do now?"<br /><br />Bringing back memories of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C5%9Fescu">Nicolae Ceausescu</a>'s sudden execution as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_de_gr%C3%A2ce">coup-de-grace</a> of the Warsaw Pact's implosion, Saddam was turned over to Iraqi "<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraqi_Transitional_Government">authorities</a>" after a US judge denied a stay of execution appeal, and was summarily strung up high without much further ado.<br /><br />Now what?<br /><br />The Bush Administration is undoubtedly <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555.ece">breathing a sigh of relief right now</a>, but not for the reasons most might expect. <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam.htm">Saddam</a> is dead, and ostensibly someone else did the dirty deed.<br /><br />Wash your hands <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate">Mr. Pilate</a>.<br /><br />Like most successful <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia">Mafias</a>, the <a href="http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushcrimefamily.htm">extended</a> <a href="http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=3848&page=2">criminal</a> <a href="http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm">network</a> surrounding the <a href="http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/08/11/criminal_administration.php">Bush Administration</a> does its job best when people don't talk much. Especially people who, "know too much." Everyone's seen the <a href="http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bosses/the_godfather/1.html">Godfather movies</a> where people get "rubbed out" before they can "talk."<br /><br />Rings so "<a href="http://www.americanmafia.com/Album.html">familiar</a>" right now.<br /><br />Saddam was ostensibly executed for the <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003502216_saddam30.html">crime</a> of ordering a reprisal against Shiites, resulting in the deaths of 148 people. He was also awaiting trial for the <a href="http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/saddam/2004/1222halabja.htm">Nerve Gassing of a Kurdish village</a>. The Bush administration really didn't want that trial to happen. What hasn't been widely discussed in the mass media, but is available all over the internet, is information that none other than Donald Rumsfeld <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00158.htm">SUPPLIED the deadly gas</a> to Saddam, and arranged for <a href="http://www.almostaproverb.com/saddam/BLAIR-BUSH.jpg">payoffs</a> and special favors for him so long as he DID gas the Kurds, so the CIA, etc. could see how the stuff really worked in combat.<br /><br />Not only that, but now they had him marked as a <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm">super-bad brutal bastard</a>, <a href="http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1315">evil prince of darkness</a>, swarthy mustachioed <a href="http://www.almostaproverb.com/saddam/BennettCartoonArchiveWanted.jpg">caricature</a> of <a href="http://www.publicenemy.com/">Public Enemy</a> Number One, ready for deployment when necessary.<br /><br />And soon to deploy him they were...<br /><br />In 1989, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev">Michael Gorbachev</a> declined to support the suppression of demonstrators in East Germany by refusing to send Russian forces to help quell growing unrest. The head of the East German Secret Police then <a href="http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj83/rees.htm">refused the President's order</a> to shoot people demonstrating to open the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_Gate">Brandenburg Gate</a>.<br /><br />Then suddenly (on my 25th birthday no less) the Gates swung open wide and the Cold War was officially over as the newly freed multitudes roamed the Berlin streets, looking for a good <a href="http://www.electronicbeats.net/eb/city_reports/berlin/disco">discotheque</a>.<br /><br />It was "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man">The End of History</a>."<br /><br />The "<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0522-01.htm">Peace Dividend</a>" would wash over us all like a warm, gentle, breeze.<br /><br />But noooooo....<br /><br />A <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/">few people</a> had <a href="http://pnac.info/">other plans in mind</a>...<br /><br />During the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War">Iran-Iraq War</a>, the Kuwaitis had occupied some <a href="http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/Leafcopy/585-6.htm">extremely oil-rich land</a> that Iraq claimed vigorously was its own.<br /><br />Soon the Kuwaitis started <a href="http://www.rense.com/general3/slant.htm">aggressively expanding</a> on their practice of "<a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Iraq_CIAHits.html">slant drilling</a>" even further into Iraq oilfields from platforms based on Kuwaiti soil.<br /><br />Saddam <a href="http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/gulf_war.php">emphatically protested</a> this to the Kuwaitis, OPEC, and the US State Department, but to no avail.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html">April Glaspie</a>, US Ambassador to Iraq, visited Saddam in August of 1989 and said that the US considered the border dispute an "internal matter" between the two countries, one in which the US would not intervene or choose a side.<br /><br />Ha Ha... Fooled Ya!!!<br /><br />Hussein took the bait and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait">invaded Kuwait</a>, and to have heard <a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/mrs_panstreppon/2006/oct/28/transcript_4_12_1990_meeting_between_saddam_hussein_and_senator_robert_dole">George Bush 41's outcry</a>, you'd have thought he'd converted the entire population under age 12 into party-sized sausage links.<br /><br />The massive <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15241.htm">propaganda machine</a> sprung into action and before you could say "Open Sesame" we'd mustered half a million troops and a <a href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/gulf.war/facts/gulfwar/">coalition</a> of the fellow faux-indignant and the term "Peace Dividend" was officially dropped from polite conversation.<br /><br />We HAD to invade, right? They were "<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n9_v24/ai_12529902">killing babies</a>", weren't they?<br /><br />Well... <a href="http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html">maybe not</a>.<br /><br />Don't forget, fellow Americans, that you live in a country where <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations">Public Relations</a>, Advertising, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations#Spin">Spin</a> is the one thing that we do, and will probably always do, so far much better than the rest of the world that it's not even funny. That gun is actually pointed though, most of the time, at you. You're sold a <a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404">fraudulent bill of goods</a> so often that it's truly almost impossible to make <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.htm">clear sense of anything</a>.<br /><br />But try we must, so onward through this meandering <a href="http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/bhs/bryan/bryan_eulogy.html">eulogy</a> (or should I say, obituary) we slog...<br /><br />Compared to most rulers in the Middle East, Saddam Hussein was kind of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#Role_of_the_State">liberal</a>.<br /><br />Don't misunderstand what I mean. It's pretty clear that he was a paid CIA asset, much like <a href="http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Elormand/poli/soa/panama.htm">Noriega</a> of <a href="http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-2-05.html">Panama</a>, and a bloodthirsty and ruthless sonovabitch of the first order for pretty much all of his adult life. This clearly makes him someone you don't want sitting on your local school board. I also most assuredly wouldn't have wanted to be an administration-ripping sarcastic political journalist in Baghdad circa 1987 (or 1998), because I'm rather attached to my fingernails, and I only like my private parts touched with love, not electrodes.<br /><br />But <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAS20051007&articleId=1054">women in Baghdad</a> could wear skirts. And pants. And walk around without headscarves. Women assumed prominent roles throughout layers of society that were unthinkable in most "conservative" Muslim countries. They also made up a significant percentage of university students on all levels and had successful careers in <a href="http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/wrd/iraq-women.htm">almost every profession</a>.<br /><br />Sunnis and Shiites and Christians and <a href="http://www.npr.org/news/specials/iraq2003/raz_030522.html">even Jews</a> lived in relative peace and harmony, more or less worshipped as they chose, and largely minded their own business. Saddam was an avowed Secularist and Modernist, a relative rarity in the region. Oil revenues bought him a lot of friends and the Baath party was a very effective control mechanism that didn't resort to actual torture to enforce its will nearly as often as the popular imagination would have it. Certainly not the fifty plus <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=DAV20061115&articleId=3879">bodies riddled with power drill holes</a> that turn up on the streets each morning in today's sado-state.<br /><br />Cross Saddam, and you were screwed. Otherwise, it wasn't so bad for a third-world Arab country, at least for most people.<br /><br />I live in a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism">relativist</a> world, it's true. But I can hardly imagine that most <a href="http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20061229-101021-1168r">Iraqis prefer</a> the unholy carnage, social disintegration, environmental devastation and infrastructural paralysis that is today's <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2110653.ece">grand orgy of violence</a> in their country to the relative peace and tranquility of the Hussein Administration.<br /><br />It's twisted when you think of it. We've gone in and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR">FUBAR'ed</a> the place so bad that Saddam Freakin' Hussein <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/blum06222006.html">looks like a Professor Emeritus of Urban Planning</a>. Between <a href="http://www.inblogs.net/thedailyheretic/2005/09/british-caught-red-handed-in-false.html">false flag covert ops</a> and <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/13/MNG39F7MNI1.DTL">kick-in-the-door raids</a> and the strafing and bombing of <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,922204,00.html">civilian targets</a> and the <a href="http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35847">raiding of hospitals</a> we've completely destroyed any possible credibility we might have had in prosecuting Saddam for the many crimes of unspeakable cruelty he undoubtedly committed.<br /><br />But I can <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/">count</a>.<br /><br />The Lancet estimated earlier this year that as many as <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/">six hundred and fifty thousand</a> "surplus deaths" were caused by the effects of the war since the US invasion. This causal relationship is reinforced by the fact that the overwhelming majority of these surplus deaths were caused by gunshot wounds or other effects of combat or munitions. Even if the report is hugely overblown by a factor of five hundred percent, that still means that US actions in Iraq have directly caused the deaths of a hundred and thirty THOUSAND people, minimum.<br /><br />People who <a href="http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_643.shtml">didn't have to die so soon</a>. People who wanted to live in their homes, raise their children, and pursue their dreams, no matter how hard that must have been in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.<br /><br />They didn't pick him. It was <a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Nimmo_Saddam-CIA.htm">the CIA that picked Saddam</a> to run Iraq for them. They're the ones who gave him the extra help he needed to hold that famous convocation of the Baath Party where he read off a list of names and those who were named were lead outside to holding cells. The party members who remained were told that the ones who had been escorted out were traitors, and the people remaining were the ones he knew were loyal to him. Then he said that those who were certified for the Saddam inner circle would get a chance to show their loyalty the next morning when they made up the <a href="http://www.trial-ch.org/en/trial-watch/profile/db/facts/saddam_hussein-al-majid-al-tikriti_125.html">firing squad</a> for the guys now waiting outside the hall in cells.<br /><br />Trust me, the <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/10/205859.shtml">CIA loved this guy</a>. The more ruthless and brutal, the better. Especially in a country where the ground below contained the sweetest and easiest-to-get-at <a href="http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/08jim.htm">black gold</a> on the planet.<br /><br />So they waited, and helped, and <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/">worked with him</a>, and made sure he had plenty of weapons, especially when he'd swap them for some Soviet models he'd managed to buy from the Russians. Saddam was their boy, and he served many useful functions for American empire, not all of them witting.<br /><br />But sometimes you just <a href="http://www.joewein.de/usa0911.htm">outlive your usefulness</a>. Saddam's role as cooperative thug morphed beautifully into his slayer-of-the-peace-dividend costume and then ultimately into schemer-to-nuke-us-all (or at least Israel). This ultimately was held up as the raison-de-etre for the current disaster we're quick-sanding down to the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1878474,00.html">absolute nub</a>.<br /><br />Now what do we do?<br /><br /><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=2760537&page=1">Saddam Hussein is dead</a>, along with another sixty six other Iraqis, six American GIs, and a Brit from the Duke of Lancaster's Regiment. And that's just <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=10240">today</a>.<br /><br />What do we do tomorrow?<br /><br />I've got a suggestion...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070101/cooperweb">Leave</a>.<br /><br /><br />David Caputo<br />Editor and Publisher<br /><a href="http://totallyfixed.com/">TotallyFixed.com</a><br /><br />President<br /><a href="http://www.PositronicDesign.com">Positronic Design</a><br />Holyoke, MA<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-31622236853398590742006-12-30T00:45:00.000-05:002006-12-30T01:05:45.707-05:00Top Story on OpEdNews - Saddam Hussein ExecutedWow... My first big scoop.<br /><br />I posted a <a href="http://www.opednews.com/member_submissions.htm">QuickLink</a> with commentary (article lead) on <a href="http://opednews.com/">OpEdNews.com</a> and it was selected as a Top Story of the Day for 12/29/06.<br /><br />Who knew it would be Saddam who'd give me my first big break...<br /><br />These are strange times...<br /><br />Anyway, here's a cross-post of the story.<br /><h1><a set="yes" href="http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=28190"></a></h1><blockquote style="font-family:georgia;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><a style="font-weight: bold;" set="yes" href="http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=28190">Saddam Hussein Executed - Hanged in the Green Zone</a><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span><br /><br />Saddam Hussein's been executed. No long, drawn-out appeals process in the "new" Iraq. Hang-em' High was the order of the day. Seems the former Iraqi president won't ever get a chance to tell what he knew about the current American president, and his friends, family and associates. Seems the US Government couldn't shuffle him off this mortal coil fast enough. Well George, you won't have Saddam to kick around any more. Good luck...</blockquote><br />I was notified of the article's selection by Rob Kall, owner and editor-in-chief of OpEdNews who said:<pre wrap=""><blockquote>Re: your article 'Saddam Hussein Executed - Hanged in the Green Zone' --<br /><br />Just a note to let you know your article has been main headlined for the day. Thanks for posting a great article.<br /><br />Ranking terminates after 24 hours or 24 hours after the article was posted, whichever comes first.</blockquote></pre><br />...so I'm psyched. Thanks for everyone's support.<br /><br />I look forward to writing much more than ever in the upcoming year.<br /><br />In these crazy times, make sure you hang on to your loved ones and tell them you care.<br /><br />Happy New Year everyone.<br /><br />David Caputo<br /><br />Editor and Publisher<br />Totally Fixed and Rigged Magazine<br /><br />Associate Editor<br /><a href="http://opednews.com/">OpEdNews.com</a><br /><br />President<br /><a href="http://positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><br />....<div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-13158705128148674842006-12-12T11:52:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:48:57.914-05:00The Nation weakly trashes 9/11 skeptics<div class="intro"><p><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" >News and Commentary by David Caputo of <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a></span><br /></p><p>The Nation Magazine, one of my all time favorites and the very model for my own news magazine from "back in the day", is all-kinda squishy-washy about 9/11, and what really happened that day. They constantly rip the Bush administration a new one for all manner of the dreadful things they do, but they seem largely incapable of even QUESTIONING the official government line on 9/11 facts and figures, even when they blatantly contradict themselves.</p> <p>Their most recent piece on this subject, Christopher Hayes' "9/11: The Roots of Paranoia" was typical of the genre, although politer than most. I offer my thoughts and commentary because I thought such a weak overall analysis should not stand unchallenged, especially by a long-time fan of The Nation.</p> </div><p>-------------------------------<br /></p><p>Dear Nation Editors,</p> <p>While I am somewhat impressed (compared to <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09092006.html">recent efforts</a> from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Cockburn">Alexander Cockburn</a>) at the reasonable tone and interesting theoretical arguments of <a href="http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/175">Christopher Hayes</a>' article "<a target="_blank" href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061225/hayes">9/11: The Roots of Paranoia</a>", his analysis, sadly, still comes up wanting in many ways.</p> <p>The article opens by citing a July 2006 Scripps poll which shows that 33% of Americans believe either <a href="http://thedailyheretic.blogspot.com/2005/08/911-lihop-and-mihop.html">LIHOP</a> (let it happen on purpose) or <a href="http://www.ethlife.ethz.ch/e/articles/sciencelife/9.11.html">MIHOP</a> (make it happen on purpose) theories of US governement complicity on 9/11.</p> <p>He's disturbed by these findings (although unsurprised by them, which I'll discuss later) because he detects no ferment among the masses that would correspond to knowing that the country is being led by mass murderers. This ignores, of course, the fact that it is undeniable that our government IS being led by mass murderers, as <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/">100k - 600k victims</a> of unprovoked international violence would attest. The question, it seems, is whether or not our country is led by mass murderers of <em>Americans</em>. (Not counting, of course, the <a href="http://www.iraqwarheroes.org/">3000+ fellow citizens</a> who have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the tens of thousands of <a href="http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/index.htm">permanently maimed</a>, on both sides)</p> <p>A later poll is more instructive, I think, and speaks to why he thinks the first phenomenon is unsurprising.</p> <p>----<br />Question: When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?</p> <p>..........................Oct. 2006 ...May 2002</p> <p>Telling the truth..........16%.......21%</p> <p>Hiding something........53%.......65%</p> <p>Mostly lying................28%........8%</p> <p>Not sure.....................3%........6%</p> <p>Source: The New York Times / CBS News<br />Methodology: Telephone interviews with 983 American adults,<br />conducted from Oct. 5 to Oct. 8, 2006. Margin of error is 4 per cent.<br />----</p> <p>Now this new poll reveals that 81% (!!) of Americans believe that Bush administration is covering up either something or everything about 9/11. Notably, the portion that thinks the administration is "mostly lying" is up 20% since 2002. That's almost double the amount that think the administration is actually telling the full truth.</p> <p>Americans' complete lack of confidence in the "Truthiness" of this administration is reflected in these overwhelming numbers. It's almost like: Q: "How can you tell when Bush or Cheney are lying?" A: "<a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/cat_bush_administration_lies.php">Their lips are moving</a>."</p> <p>C'mon, more than 80% think they're not being straight with us about the single biggest crime ever to happen on American soil. A crime that's led us into not just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War">one</a> but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001-present_war_in_Afghanistan">two</a> wars of mayhem and cruelty almost beyond description. A shocking event that's led to the <a href="http://civilliberty.about.com/od/waronterror/p/waronterror101.htm">ritualized disembowelment</a> of democratic institutions and civil liberties as the public has largely watched mesmerized, like a frog enjoying the <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates38.html">hot tub</a>.</p> <p>One reason for the expansion of interest in <a href="http://911truth.org/">9/11 Truth</a> and related research is not just <a target="_blank" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501">Loose Change</a>, which he cites with look-down-his-nose contempt for its low-budget, 20-something approach to purported debunking, but <a target="_blank" href="http://cspan.org/">C-Span</a>, which has broadcast several <a target="_blank" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5004704309041471296&q=9%2F11+scholars+for+truth+cspan+video&hl=en">9/11 Truth events</a>, much to the pleasure of their ratings manager. Videos of these events have collectively gotten as much play as Loose Change, which has never been broadcast on national TV, let alone repeatedly.</p> <p>One paragraph gets to the core of his argument:</p> <blockquote> <p>This pattern of deception has not only fed diffuse public cynicism but has provided an opening for alternate theories of 9/11 to flourish. As these theories--propounded by the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement--seep toward the edges of the mainstream, they have raised the specter of the return (if it ever left) of what Richard Hofstadter famously described as "the paranoid style in American politics." But the real danger posed by the Truth Movement isn't paranoia. Rather, the danger is that it will discredit and deform the salutary skepticism Americans increasingly show toward their leaders. </p> </blockquote> <p>OK, point by point.</p> <ol><li value="1"> Wouldn't it make sense for a "<a href="http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/20/2006/1786">pattern of deception</a>" to logically lead people to think that if they'd lie in order to send thousands of Americans to their deaths, and kill hundreds of thousands of others, that they just might lie about the event that led them to do this?</li></ol> <ol><li value="2"> If you ever watched the excellent dissection of media fear projection featured in "<a target="_blank" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5301167223369517485&q=bowling+for+columbine+video&hl=en">Bowling for Columbine</a>", you'd realize that "paranoia" has long been a central fixture of the American psyche. Paranoia about the Russians, the Communists, Anthrax (the mail), Snipers, Killer Bees and <a href="http://www.halloween-website.com/poison.htm">poisoned Halloween candy</a>... you name it, we've been coached and coaxed to be paranoid about it. It's hardly the result of the burgeoning <a href="http://911truth.org/">9/11 Truth</a> movement.</li></ol> <ol><li value="3"> The main point. After dismissing the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,923715,00.html">spectre</a> of paranoia he has just summoned (for effect maybe?), he says that 9/11 skepticism will "discredit and deform" the otherwise laudable skepticism that Americans are only just now starting to show any real signs of. Discredit to whom? Deform how? He doesn't say. You'd think if this was the "real danger" (a highly alarmist phrase), he's at least cite ONE example of how this might be true. Nope. We are left to our own devices to imagine how.</li></ol> <p>Moving on to the "raising questions" paragraph. Mr. Hayes cites a small number of apparent (he says perceived) physical anomalies that have attracted 9/11 researchers' interest, but offers no direct refutation of any of them. He ignores certain key facts, like the tower's <a href="http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html">free-fall-speed</a> collapse, the pools of <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html">molten steel</a> in the basements that persisted for months, and the <a href="http://www.wtc7.net/femareport.html">even-officially-unexplained</a> collapse of <a href="http://wtc7.net/">WTC-7</a>, to make it seem like carefully analyzed events were merely a collection of vaguely-informed hunches. He mixes scientific analysis with <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/hoaxes.html">whacko/provocateur assertions</a> to smear one with the other, without differientating between them at all.</p> <p>When he brings up the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.weyrich.com/political_issues/reichstag_fire.html">Reichstag fire</a>, he purports that the majority of historians now share his view (no doubt appreciated by Nazi sympathizers) the a lone anarchist was really the architect of the crime. This is despite the fact that the Nazi's DID <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident">stage an attack</a> on a frontier radio station in order to falsely claim that Poland had done it and officially <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland">launch WWII</a>. A review of available scholarship would easily conclude that historians have actually developed NO consensus on the subject, other than the fact that the Nazis were most likely involved in some way.</p> <p>He also makes no mention of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree">legal mechanisms</a> the Nazis used in conjunction with the Reichstag fire that have eerie and haunting resonance today. The <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act">Patriot Act</a>, obviously prepared long before 9/11 and designed to rip the heart out of what we had always considered "normal" civil rights protections, is our modern day "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act">Enabling Act</a>", a fact to which he makes no reference.</p> <p>His "strongest" argument for his confidence in the Bush administration's theories about the events of 9/11 is presented next, in a one-paragraph, three-sentence oblique sideswipe of the quite outdated and already thoroughly discredited March 2005 Popular Mechanics <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html">cover article</a>. Read Jim Hoffman's <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/">systematic dismantling</a> of this report on WTC7.net if you think this report has any scientific merit. Using this report as the central foundation for his rejection of 9/11 scholarship demonstrates the lack of depth with which he has actually pursued his investigation. "Superficial" would be charitable, I think.</p> <p>Of course, he then goes on to describe the <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.9-11commission.gov%2Freport%2F911Report.pdf&ei=Xbp_RdLoM8-2aMyNrIMC&usg=__EaAkfGkHTMlF8g-N7TPcXy1pA2I=&sig2=dmR-_nTnQoiqDeqRPU-JNw">9/11 Commission Report</a> as "something of a whitewash", but blythely moves on as if an obvious coverup involving a major <a href="http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/collapses_abc1.mpeg">mass murder</a> was nothing to be concerned about. He mentions that Bush was only interviewed by the Commission in the presence of Cheney, but he fails to mention that they were not under oath, or recorded, or videotaped. Or that no commissioners were allowed to take notes and that the entire panel and staff had only three hours to meet with them, both. Is this what you at the Nation call "investigative journalism"? Sounds like conspicuous ignorance of inconvenient facts to me. Or was it just edited out to copy-fit the print edition? Just how much of a "<a href="http://www.harpers.org/WhitewashAsPublicService.html">whitewash</a>" was it? He doesn't go into much detail, and ignores David Ray Griffin's authoritative <a href="http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?pid=1566565847&ad=FGLBKS">book</a> and <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154">lectures</a> on the subject, lest it detract from his overall argument.</p> <p>The rest of Mr. Hayes' article is pretty much a plaintive beseeching of the establishment media to take a more active role in resisting the tendency to print whatever the administration tells them, even when they know it to be a lie, cause "the people" are on to something and if they (the media) don't wise up they'll get the rabble all fired up and suspicious of everyone.</p> <p>He posits two world-views, one credulous, one paranoid. I posit a third: thoughtful. Thoughtful as in imaginative, creative, intelligent, discerning, investigative, and wise. The 9/11 Truth Movement is not a "rabbit hole of delusion" as he would suggest. Indeed, those of us who insist that physics and chemistry follow strict laws, and that standard law enforcement investigative techniques and rules of evidence preservation should be used in all murder cases, and democratic openness and conflict-of-interest transparency should be the rule of the day in all major government operations would say that far from a "rabbit hole", the 9/11 Truth Movement is the most genuine example of citizen challenge to the forces of destruction around us.</p> <p>Why is it that so many liberal/progressive publications and columnists have such a hard time seeing that?</p> <p>Phillip Agee wrote in "<a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CIA_Diary_Agee.html">Inside the Company</a>" that the CIA had paid or blackmailed assets in almost every major news organization in almost every country in the world. For 25 years Lane Kirkland, head of the AFL/CIO, was actually a paid CIA asset. Is this what's going on here? Is someone on the company payroll? Does someone have some juicy dirt on y'all and is holding it over your heads?</p> <p>That would at least make sense. This systematic failure to even look closely at the carefully reviewed and vetted research and the casting of insults and negative aspersions is more commonly the province of <a href="http://newsbusters.org/node/8946">drug-addled</a> right wingers like Rush Limbaugh. I bet it's the one thing that Rush and the Nation agree on, that 9/11 Truth folks are whacky kooks.</p> <p>It's hard to understand all of this, but I'm standing my ground.</p> <p>Come up with some better arguments or seriously investigate the reputable facts and research on 9/11 and see if you've actually been wrong on this one. The weak arguments presented just make the Nation look silly, and stupid. Far from 9/11 research "discrediting the left", it's just this kind of weak, unsupported blather that makes us all look like confused morons. Aren't you guys better than that?</p> <p>I look forward to your reply,</p> <p>David Caputo<br />Positronic Design</p> <p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">http://www.PositronicDesign.com</a></p> <p><a target="_blank" href="http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com/">http://TotallyFixed.blogspot.com</a></p><br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-30310795137266998892006-12-10T00:57:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:49:59.993-05:00Gatekeeper Chimp? - Say it isn't true...News and Commentary by David <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Caputo</span> of <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Positronic</span> Design</a><br /><br />------<br />THIS JUST IN - The Chimp has deleted my account and this article. So much for freedom of the press, eh?<br />------<br /><br />Here I was, all excited.<br /><br />I had just cross-posted my first "real" article, <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/3624"><span style="font-style: italic;">American Thinker says 9/11 skepticism "extremely dangerous"</span></a> on <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">SmirkingChimp</span>.com</a> and saw it get lots of views (700+) and good votes and positive comments and spend some time in the "most emailed" list and then suddenly... comments and votes were suddenly shut down. (Before I could get the ten votes required to be on the "<a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/popular">most recommended</a>" list.)<br /><br />My commentary was in reaction to an <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/12/this_is_not_your_fathers_consp.html">article</a> in <a href="http://americanthinker.com/">American Thinker</a> that essentially suggested that 9/11 skeptics were a dangerous and potentially treasonous lot, sapping the martial spirit of our nation's youth with theories of sinister government activities.<br /><br />I thought it was a good article, and so did many others, and it was not profane or venomous or deigning to claim anything in particular about 9/11 other than that the "official" investigation was, in my opinion, completely inadequate.<br /><br />So... I wrote to Jeff "<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">Smirky</span>" <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">Tiedrich</span>, chimp-in-chief, and asked him why this shutdown had occurred.<br /><br />I got the following, unpersonalized, unsigned, terse reply. (I am glad he at least did that)<br /><blockquote>Smirking Chimp is not a conspiracy site. Discussions such as yours, which present speculation as fact, are a distraction. I presume you are not a long-time reader of my site, or else you wouldn't need to ask why your article was closed to comments. </blockquote>Well... <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B000065V96001004/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_004/002-4919939-7354412"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">excuuuusseeee</span> <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">meeee</span></a>....<br /><br />If he thinks my article was tough to swallow, he should check out this one from <a href="http://www.mos.umu.se/seminarier/translation_may06/Michael_Keefer_cv.pdf">Michael Keefer</a> called: <a href="http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20061206104001101"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Into the Ring with </span><em style="font-weight: bold;"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">Counterpunch</span></em></a><span style="font-weight: bold;"><a href="http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20061206104001101"> on 9/11: How Alexander <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">Cockburn</span>, Otherwise So Bright, Blanks Out on 9/11 Evidence</a><br /><br /></span>Now that's a well written and reasoned article if I ever saw one. Bravo Mike!<br /><br />I'd also refer the reader to a <a href="http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com/2006/11/my-letters-to-counterpunch-re-911.html">similar article</a> I wrote for <a href="http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">TotallyFixed</span></a> back when Alex had first come out with his <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/fusillade">fusillade</a>.<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br /></span><span>So anyway, I re-read my article a couple of times and for the life of me, I just couldn't figure out what he was referring to. I also have a pet peeve with anyone who says that "this is not a conspiracy site" about a site that deals with all kinds of conspiracies every day. Conspiracy to ignore Global Warming, conspiracy to suppress voter turnout in Black districts, conspiracy to rig elections through electronic voting, conspiracy to let Black people rot in New Orleans 'cause they're Democrats (and poor, and black)... and I'm just getting started!<br /><br />It seems like he is conflating "conspiracy" with "government aided or executed conspiracy to bring about 9/11 to advance authoritarian and imperialistic objectives". This is a very strange abuse of the English language, as the Webster's definition of "conspiracy" is much broader:<br /></span><b></b><blockquote><b>1</b> <b>:</b> the act of <a href="http://m-w.com/dictionary/conspiring">conspiring</a> together<br /><b>2 a</b> <b>:</b> an agreement among <a href="http://m-w.com/dictionary/conspirators">conspirators</a> <b>b</b> <b>:</b> a group of <a href="http://m-w.com/dictionary/conspirators">conspirators</a><br /><b>synonym</b> see <a href="http://m-w.com/dictionary/plot"><span style="">PLOT</span></a> </blockquote>Notice it doesn't mention any <span style="font-style: italic;">particular </span>plot. It just has to be a <span style="font-style: italic;">plot </span>to be a <span style="font-style: italic;">conspiracy</span>. Any garden-variety scam or other malfeasance will do just fine to satisfy the definition, for the dictionary at least. Not so it seems some liberal <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">bloggers</span>... Only one particular conspiracy makes the grade sufficiently to be named as such.<br /><br />If we are forgiving and say he was just using "conspiracy" as shorthand for "conspiracy theory", it again seems a bit narrow, considering Webster's:<br /><b></b><blockquote><b>:</b> a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators<br /></blockquote>Now there is also here no mention of a <span style="font-style: italic;">specific </span>event, just ANY event, that can be explained by means of a secret plot by more than one person. If you look about the pages of <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">SmirkingChimp</span>, you'll see that secret plots by powerful actors are plentiful. It doesn't matter the specifics. 9/11 is just the Big Enchilada of secret plots. But <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">SmirkingChimp</span> is all about secret plots. A quick survey found that at least 30% of the articles I read in a random sample had secret (or at least secretive) plots by two or more persons as their central or secondary theme.<br /><br />You also seem to have no problem with people who TRASH 9/11 truth researchers and writers, allowing Matt <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13">Taibbi's</span> <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/1259">ludicrous article</a> to stay up and active to this day. That's not a distraction? Do you merely have a problem with people who <span style="font-style: italic;">defend </span>9/11 researchers. People who think they<span style="font-style: italic;"> shouldn't</span> all be thrown in jail for sedition.<br /><br />It's a a very small step from jailing them to jailing you and your other writers, don't forget. Isn't more "progressive solidarity" in order here? For our own survival? After all, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14">habeas</span> corpus</span></a> is now <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/">officially suspended</a>. No one is truly safe in their homes, persons, and papers anymore.<br /><br />This is also a good time to point out that ALL theories of what happened on 9/11/01 are "conspiracy" theories, since there is to my knowledge no possible "lone gunman" scenario for this one.<br /><br />Putting aside abuses of common word meanings for a moment, the next part of his statement was what really stuck in my craw:<br /><blockquote>Discussions such as yours, which present speculation as fact, are a distraction.<br /></blockquote>"Present speculation as fact."?!?!? Where do I do that? I was confused...<br /><br />And a "distraction" you say. A distraction from what? The business of opposing the Bush administration and their <a href="http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/laws.php">catalog of depredations</a> against the world and its people? How does defending a class of people (9/11 skeptics) from a columnist that comes just short of calling for us all to be immediately arrested approach the "distraction" line. Isn't this what the Chimp is all about anyways? A place where people of like minds can gather and read and write and debate and try to make some sense of the craziness all around us. That's what I thought it was...<br /><br />Not being satisfied with this response, and having now more questions than I had before, I wrote him the following reply to his reply. To date I have not received a response to this letter.<br /><b></b><blockquote><b><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15">jeff</span> <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16">tiedrich</span></b> wrote: Smirking Chimp is not a conspiracy site. Discussions such as yours, which present speculation as fact, are a distraction. I presume you are not a long-time reader of my site, or else you wouldn't need to ask why your article was closed to comments.<br /><br />--- and I replied ---<br /><br />Dear Jeff,<br /><br /><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17">Ok</span>... Not a "conspiracy" site, eh?<br /><br />If you'd like I could spend about an hour or so and come up with dozens of conspiracies (unrelated to 9/11) that are actively and vigorously discussed on your site. Most notably the ones where the oil companies or the Israelis are maneuvering behind the scenes to manipulate US foreign and military policy.<br /><br />Is this not a conspiracy of some sort??<br /><br />And by the way... I AM a long time reader of your site. At least a year or so. Isn't that "long time" enough? I have notified dozens (at least) of others about its presence as well and encouraged them to read it.<br /><br />My article was rated very highly and commented upon very favorably by those who read it.<br /><br />How is this "a distraction"?<br /><br />And where, pray tell, did I present speculation as "fact" in my article?<br /><br />I'll gladly eat crow and publish a written retraction if that is the case.<br /><br />The article was mainly a comment about the <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/12/this_is_not_your_fathers_consp.html">American Thinker article</a> bordering on calling 9/11 skeptics dangerous traitors. This made my skin crawl, so I chose your most excellent (or so I thought) web site to cross-post my article on as I figured it would interest your audience, many of whom, you might be surprised to discover, are quite vigorous <a href="http://911truth.org/">9/11 skeptics</a>.<br /><br />I thought that "opinion" was somewhat broadly protected on a criticize-the-sitting-president site such as yours.<br /><br />Especially since your site's title is a reference to him looking like an animal.<br /><br />Sounds pretty opinionated to me.<br /><br />I don't consider humor like that to be a "distraction" from the larger issues of who is actually breaking things and hurting people with US taxpayer dollars (especially under <a href="http://www.traprockpeace.org/firstresponse.html">false pretenses</a>).<br /><br />Was there no "conspiracy" to deceive the American people (and the world, although they didn't buy it) that <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/2276">Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11</a> (even if obliquely) and that he was spending his nights dreaming of ways to <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/1735">Nuke Peoria</a>?<br /><br />How can <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/search/node/bush+deception">dozens of articles</a> in your site discuss conspiracies such as these and your site not be a "conspiracy" site? What about discussing the conspiracy that allegedly took place between <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18">Osama</span> Bin Laden and his associates to hijack planes, slit the stewardesses' throats, and precision-fly them into significant landmarks? Is that off-limits too?<br /><br />Perhaps you should have an explicit "Don't discuss 9/11" warning label on your site terms and conditions. It's only the central organizing principle and rallying cry of the <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19">neo</span>-con march for global dominance</a>, so there really isn't any particular relevance to the subject, eh? And false flag terror operations and staged war provocations are merely the stuff of fantasy, right? (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident">Gulf of <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20">Tonkin</span></a>, anyone)<br /><br />I must say I'm shocked and disappointed.<br /><br />I thought the Chimp was a much more open forum, especially for a sane and moderate article such as mine.<br /><br />Please read it again and tell me where I represent speculation as fact. That really stung.<br /><br />Thank you for your time.<br /><br />David <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21">Caputo</span><br /><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22">PositronicDave</span><br /><br />ref: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/3624">http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/3624</a></blockquote>---------------<br /><br />So that's the situation. A promising post was cut short and it seems like the Chimp is indeed smirking at me. It's as if the promise of a free and open communication forum with like minded progressive folks was really only an illusion, and I'm the Chump who bought the line. Is that what brings a Smirk to the Chimp's face?<br /><br />It's almost as if they're saying:<br /><blockquote>"How dare you tromp into our genteel salon discussion of <a href="http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm">left-topical <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23">microslices</span></a> with your 'big picture, they're covering up a huge crime, so they should all be in jail" bull-in-a-china-shop ranting and raving."</blockquote>How dare I, indeed.<br /><br />I'm sorry, I feel I have no other choice.<br /><br />The stakes are <a href="http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/qthinice.asp">much too high</a>. The readers of this site understand the stakes are high, otherwise they'd be reading something else.<br /><br />Does the Chimp really want to play this role? Is discussion of the central crime / justification for the <a href="http://www.fallujah.us/">militaristic orgy</a> of violence and degradation we now sit amidst with no reasonable hope of escape REALLY a "distraction"?<br /><br />Read <a href="http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20061206104001101">Michael Keefer's article</a>, it's a sober, eye-opening look at the systematic attack by "left gatekeepers" (like Alex <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24">Cockburn</span>) on other leftists for wanting to discuss 9/11 and <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25">whodunnit</span>.<br /><br />I challenge any reader to contradict Michael's analysis.<br /><br />I want there to be a vigorous debate/discussion of 9/11 points and counterpoints so that we can sort through all the lies and propaganda and evidence destruction and red herrings and gather enough proof to eventually GET A CONVICTION.<br /><br />I think someone is actually going to go to jail for this, maybe several someones, perhaps for a very long time.<br /><br /><a href="http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm">Mass murder</a> is in fact, a crime. Not investigating a mass murder like it WAS a mass murder, is also a crime.<br /><br />No matter who did the first deed, it's provable that the second was committed, and by whom.<br /><br />You want the undoing of the Bush administration and their <a href="http://www.bushcommission.org/">dastardly deeds</a>, there's your ticket.<br /><br />So, Gatekeeper Chimp. What's your stand on this?<br /><br />Don't you think we can at least bust them on the cover up??<br /><br />Don't you want to??<br /><br />Are you for real??<br /><br />Please advise.<br /><br />David <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26">Caputo</span><br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_27">Positronic</span> Design</a><br /><br /><a href="http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com/">TotallyFixed.blogspot.com</a><br />----<br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-42149297592142252562006-12-09T05:48:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:50:35.613-05:00A Keith Olberman Classic ...and some commentary by DaveWith thanks to <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/author/deka">Deka</a> from <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/">SmirkingChimp</a><br /><br />This is a classic Olbermann. An excellent piece. Links added by Dave.<br /><br />Plus some commentary by Dave at the end that I originally posted on the Chimp.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15147009/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15147009/</a><br /><br />By <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann">Keith Olbermann</a><br />Anchor, 'Countdown'<a href="http://msnbc.com/"> MSNBC</a><br />Updated: 8:19 a.m. PT Oct 6, 2006<br /><br />While the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093001265.html">leadership in Congress</a> has <a href="http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/10/reynolds_and_th.php">self-destructed</a> over the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal">revelations</a> of an unmatched, and unrelieved, <a href="http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/10/mark_foley_had_.html">march through a cesspool</a> ...<br /><br />While the leadership inside the White House has self-destructed over the revelations of a book with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234">glowing red cover</a> ...<br /><br />The president of the United States — unbowed, undeterred and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis">unconnected to reality</a> — has continued his extraordinary trek through our country rooting out the enemies of freedom: the <a href="http://democrats.com">Democrats</a>.<br /><br />Yesterday at a <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061004/dcw058.html?.v=59">fundraiser</a> for an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Renzi">Arizona congressman</a>, Mr. Bush claimed, quote, “177 of the opposition party said, ‘You know, we don’t think we ought to be listening to the conversations of terrorists.’”<br /><br />The hell they did.<br /><br />One hundred seventy-seven Democrats opposed the president’s seizure of another part of the <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html">Constitution</a>.<br /><br />Not even the White House press office could actually name a single Democrat who had ever said the government shouldn’t be listening to the conversations of terrorists.<br /><br />President Bush hears what he wants.<br /><br />Tuesday, at another fundraiser in California, he had said, “Democrats take a law enforcement approach to terrorism. That means America will wait until we’re attacked again before we respond.”<br /><br />Mr. Bush fabricated that, too.<br /><br />And evidently he has begun to fancy himself as a mind reader.<br /><br />“If you listen closely to some of the leaders of the Democratic Party,” the president said at another fundraiser Monday in Nevada, “it sounds like they think the best way to protect the American people is — wait until we’re attacked again.”<br /><br />The president doesn’t just hear what he wants.<br /><br />He hears things that only he can hear.<br /><br />It defies belief that this president and his administration could continue to find new unexplored political gutters into which they could wallow.<br /><br />Yet they do.<br /><br />It is startling enough that such things could be said out loud by any president of this nation.<br /><br />Rhetorically, it is about an inch short of Mr. Bush accusing Democratic leaders, Democrats, the majority of Americans who disagree with his policies of treason.<br /><br />But it is the context that truly makes the head spin.<br /><br />Just 25 days ago, on the fifth anniversary of the <a href="http://911truth.org">9/11 attacks</a>, this same man spoke to this nation and insisted, “We must put aside our differences and work together to meet the test that history has given us.”<br /><br />Mr. Bush, this is a test you have already failed.<br /><br />If your commitment to “put aside differences and work together” is replaced in the span of just three weeks by claiming your political opponents prefer to wait to see this country attacked again, and by spewing fabrications about what they’ve said, then the questions your critics need to be asking are no longer about your policies.<br /><br />They are, instead, solemn and even terrible questions, about your fitness to fulfill the responsibilities of your office.<br /><br />No Democrat, sir, has ever said anything approaching the suggestion that the best means of self-defense is to “wait until we’re attacked again.”<br /><br />No critic, no commentator, no reluctant Republican in the Senate has ever said anything that any responsible person could even have exaggerated into the slander you spoke in Nevada on Monday night, nor the slander you spoke in California on Tuesday, nor the slander you spoke in Arizona on Wednesday ... nor whatever is next.<br /><br />You have dishonored your party, sir; you have dishonored your supporters; you have dishonored yourself.<br /><br />But tonight the stark question we must face is — <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove">why?</a><br /><br />Why has the ferocity of your venom against the Democrats now exceeded the ferocity of your venom against the terrorists?<br /><br />Why have you chosen to go down in history as the president who made things up?<br /><br />In less than one month you have gone from a flawed call to unity to this clarion call to hatred of Americans, by Americans.<br /><br />If this is not simply the most shameless example of the rhetoric of political hackery, then it would have to be the cry of a leader crumbling under the weight of his own lies.<br /><br />We have, of course, survived all manner of political hackery, of every shape, size and party. We will have to suffer it, for as long as the Republic stands.<br /><br />But the premise of a president who comes across as a compulsive liar is nothing less than terrifying.<br /><br />A president who since 9/11 will not listen, is not listening — and thanks to Bob Woodward’s most recent account — evidently has never listened.<br /><br />A president who since 9/11 so hates or fears other Americans that he accuses them of advocating deliberate inaction in the face of the enemy.<br /><br />A president who since 9/11 has savaged the very freedoms he claims to be protecting from attack — attack by terrorists, or by Democrats, or by both — it is now impossible to find a consistent thread of logic as to who Mr. Bush believes the enemy is.<br /><br />But if we know one thing for certain about Mr. Bush, it is this: This president — in his bullying of the Senate last month and in his slandering of the Democrats this month — has shown us that he believes whoever the enemies are, they are hiding themselves inside a dangerous cloak called the Constitution of the United States of America.<br /><br />How often do we find priceless truth in the unlikeliest of places?<br /><br />I tonight quote not Jefferson nor Voltaire, but Cigar Aficionado Magazine.<br /><br />On Sept. 11th, 2003, the editor of that publication interviewed General Tommy Franks, at that point, just retired from his post as commander-in-chief of U.S. Central Command — of Cent-Com.<br /><br />And amid his quaint defenses of the then-nagging absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, or the continuing freedom of Osama bin Laden, General Franks said some of the most profound words of this generation.<br /><br />He spoke of “the worst thing that can happen” to this country:<br /><br />First, quoting, a “massive casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western World — it may be in the United States of America.”<br /><br />Then, the general continued, “the Western World, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years, in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”<br /><br />It was this super-patriotic warrior’s fear that we would lose that most cherished liberty, because of another attack, one — again quoting General Franks — “that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass-casualty-producing event. Which, in fact, then begins to potentially unravel the fabric of our Constitution.”<br /><br />And here we are, the fabric of our Constitution being unraveled, anyway.<br /><br />Habeus corpus neutered; the rights of self-defense now as malleable and impermanent as clay; a president stifling all critics by every means available and, when he runs out of those, by simply lying about what they said or felt.<br /><br />And all this, even without the dreaded attack.<br /><br />General Franks, like all of us, loves this country, and believes not just in its values, but in its continuity.<br /><br />He has been trained to look for threats to that continuity from without.<br /><br />He has, perhaps been as naïve as the rest of us, in failing to keep close enough vigil on the threats to that continuity from within.<br /><br />Secretary of State Rice first cannot remember urgent cautionary meetings with counterterrorism officials before 9/11. Then within hours of this lie, her spokesman confirms the meetings in question. Then she dismisses those meetings as nothing new — yet insists she wanted the same cautions expressed to Secretaries Ashcroft and Rumsfeld.<br /><br />Mr. Rumsfeld, meantime, has been unable to accept the most logical and simple influence of the most noble and neutral of advisers. He and his employer insist they rely on the “generals in the field.” But dozens of those generals have now come forward to say how their words, their experiences, have been ignored.<br /><br />And, of course, inherent in the Pentagon’s war-making functions is the regulation of presidential war lust.<br /><br />Enacting that regulation should include everything up to symbolically wrestling the Chief Executive to the floor.<br /><br />Yet—and it is Pentagon transcripts that now tell us this—evidently Mr. Rumsfeld’s strongest check on Mr. Bush’s ambitions, was to get somebody to excise the phrase “Mission Accomplished” out of the infamous Air Force Carrier speech of May 1st, 2003, even while the same empty words hung on a banner over the President’s shoulder.<br /><br />And the vice president is a chilling figure, still unable, it seems, to accept the conclusions of his own party’s leaders in the Senate, that the foundations of his public position, are made out of sand.<br /><br />There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.<br /><br />But he still says so.<br /><br />There was no link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaida.<br /><br />But he still says so.<br /><br />And thus, gripping firmly these figments of his own imagination, Mr. Cheney lives on, in defiance, and spreads—around him and before him—darkness, like some contagion of fear.<br /><br />They are never wrong, and they never regret -- admirable in a French torch singer, cataclysmic in an American leader.<br /><br />Thus, the sickening attempt to blame the Foley scandal on the negligence of others or “the Clinton era”—even though the Foley scandal began before the Lewinsky scandal.<br /><br />Thus, last month’s enraged attacks on this administration’s predecessors, about Osama bin Laden—a projection of their own negligence in the immediate months before 9/11.<br /><br />Thus, the terrifying attempt to hamstring the fundament of our freedom—the Constitution—a triumph for al Qaida, for which the terrorists could not hope to achieve with a hundred 9/11’s.<br /><br />And thus, worst of all perhaps, these newest lies by President Bush about Democrats choosing to await another attack and not listen to the conversations of terrorists.<br /><br />It is the terror and the guilt within your own heart, Mr. Bush, that you redirect at others who simply wish for you to temper your certainty with counsel.<br /><br />It is the failure and the incompetence within your own memory, Mr. Bush, that leads you to demonize those who might merely quote to you the pleadings of Oliver Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.”<br /><br />It is not the Democrats whose inaction in the face of the enemy you fear, Sir.<br /><br />It is your own—before 9/11 - and (and you alone know this), perhaps afterwards.<br /><br />Mr. President, these new lies go to the heart of what it is that you truly wish to preserve.<br /><br />It is not our freedom, nor our country—your actions against the Constitution give irrefutable proof of that.<br /><br />You want to preserve a political party’s power. And obviously you’ll sell this country out, to do it.<br /><br />These are lies about the Democrats -- piled atop lies about Iraq -- which were piled atop lies about your preparations for al Qaida.<br /><br />To you, perhaps, they feel like the weight of a million centuries -- as crushing, as immovable.<br /><br />They are not.<br /><br />If you add more lies to them, you cannot free yourself, and us, from them.<br /><br />But if you stop -- if you stop fabricating quotes, and building straw-men, and inspiring those around you to do the same -- you may yet liberate yourself and this nation.<br /><br />Please, sir, do not throw this country’s principles away because your lies have made it such that you can no longer differentiate between the terrorists and the critics.<br /><br />---<br />-----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />And my commentary is thus...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Lying sack he is, but he's worse than that...</span><br /><br />Dear Keith,<br /><br />Another in your fantastic series of commentaries.<br /><br />Bravo!<br /><br />I almost thing you're being too charitable though.<br /><br />Your central point misses the critical importance of the Bush / Cheney involvement with AT LEAST the COVERUP of 9/11, if not its perpetration.<br /><br />How can it be that Bush and Cheney were only interviewed by the 9/11 Commission for about an hour, total, together, not under oath, with no video or audio recording for posterity, and NO NOTES even being allowed to be taken.<br /><br />WTF mate?<br /><br />In typical criminal investigations, involvement in a coverup and substantial motive generally require intensive scrutiny of such persons.<br /><br />There is substantial evidence for both.<br /><br />And I commented in my recent <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/3624">blog entry</a> that the most vigorous counterattack has not been Bush against the Democrats but the media in general against all those who question if the official investigation was unbiased and thorough enough. No less a left icon as Alexander Cockburn has called us "racist nuts" while the American Thinker article I commented on in my post posits that all such persons are a "dangerous" influence.<br /><br />Bet you like that kind of talk, eh?<br /><br />Didn't think so...<br /><br />These are valid questions. There are far too many unasked questions and contradictory conclusions for most thinking people who've reviewed the 9/11 Commission's report carefully to accept it at face value.<br /><br />Ah... "the system" was to blame, not any individuals. Thank God for that. How bloody convenient, eh?<br /><br />How is it possible that after the largest and most spectacular collapse of North American air defense in history that NO ONE was fired, demoted, reprimanded or even talked to sternly?<br /><br />Sounds like a coverup to me. They couldn't blame anyone in particular, lest the whole ball of yarn start untangling as a result. So... nobody had to take the blame. Everyone got their designated payments, promotions, or other perks (read: Presidential Medal of Freedom) and we all just happily moved on like 9/11 was a tidy little problem that could be cured lickety-split with a little military adventurism.<br /><br />This, as we both know, wasn't quite realistic.<br /><br />So brother Keith, look into the 9/11 thing a bit more. You're a clear thinking person with an excellent nose for discernment.<br /><br />I think you'd be able to determine which of the many story lines regarding 9/11 are relevant and seem credible, and which ones are not.<br /><br />It will broadent and solidify your arguments against this criminal President, in my opinion. Check out the links in my <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/3624">post</a> for more information.<br /><br />Enjoy! ...and thanks again for such an excellent commentary and for so many similar commentaries you've done.<br /><br />Be well.<br /><br />David Caputo<br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><br /><br />----<br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-26274377108056906132006-12-03T05:01:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:51:54.378-05:00American Thinker says 9/11 skepticism "extremely dangerous"This just in...<br /><br /><a href="http://americanthinker.com/">AmericanThinker.com</a>'s <a href="http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp">Michael Lopez-Calderon</a> thinks that people who don't buy the government's line about 9/11 are "extremely dangerous" because they might "undermine our democratic nation's war against the theocratic forces of radical, Jihadi-driven Islam".<br /><br />Ouch.<br /><br />And here I was thinking I was being patriotic trying to expose the <a href="http://www.9-11commission.gov/">bald-faced lies</a> and <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3668653.stm">brazen evasions</a> that have constituted the "official story" of 9/11 up to this point. After all, if the Bush administration and/or its cronies DID perpetrate or facilitate the <a href="http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/south_tower_collapse.mpeg">crimes</a> of that day, the central justification for the ongoing war(s) against our officially designated enemies would be undermined indeed.<br /><br />But, that must surely be because I find comfort in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory">conspiracy theories</a>. As Mr. Lopez-Calderon put it, "Conspiracy theories offer explanatory models of complex events to large audiences of the unsophisticated and under-educated."<br /><br />Ouch again...<br /><br />The weak <span style="font-style: italic;">"attack the messenger as delusional but avoid directly criticizing any of their specific claims"</span> methodology used by his article is all too familiar, but Lopez-Calderon expands upon this with a sinister twist. The main thrust of this twist is that 9/11 skeptics are a dangerous pathogen in the American body politic, infecting otherwise warlike and patriotic citizens, particularly the young, with a paralytic cynicism that weakens their resolve to lash out with sufficient ruthlessness at those irredeemable A-rabs who just can't wait to kill us. Seems we just don't realize how much being force-fed <a href="http://www.brownielocks.com/godblesstheusaWAVE.html">Lee Greenberg</a> can fill those boys with blood-lust. (Blowback from cultural imperialism indeed...)<br /><br />This, it seems, is the real question at hand.<br /><br />Should these <span style="font-style: italic;">petit-Benedict-Arnolds</span> still be allowed to roam freely and <a href="http://rawstory.com/">brazenly challenge</a> (on the scandalously unregulated internet) our great and noble nation's <a href="http://www.bushoniraq.com/">declared world-view</a>?? Perhaps they should all be rounded up and held incommunicado in <a href="http://cte.jhu.edu/techacademy/fellows/DALY/webquest/campsrc.htm">internment camps</a> until the threat from "radical, Jihadi-driven Islam" has safely passed. That should only be a couple of months, right? Seems like the only sure strategy to keep them from doing things that "may lead more Americans, particularly the young, to withdraw their allegiance to their country."<br /><br />Sounds like a national freaking emergency to me, neh?<br /><br />And about that <a href="http://www.eff.org/">intarweb</a> thing...<br /><blockquote>Another culprit of course is the unregulated, often unaccountable <a href="http://smirkingchimp.com/">Internet-blogosphere</a>, where <a href="http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=home">virtually unfettered free speech</a> has produced a downside, namely, an opening for every conceivable crackpot writer. In the past, such writers and their theories often were relegated to coffeehouses, salons, and obscure, dilapidated <a href="http://www.foodforthoughtbooks.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp">radical bookstores</a> commonly found in <a href="http://amherstarea.com/">college towns</a> and or near <a href="http://umass.edu/umhome/index.php">major university campuses</a>. They were a fringe relegated to relative obscurity. Today, thanks to the Internet's incredible freedom as well as reach, no toiler is condemned to obscurity but on the contrary, with some talent, hard work, and catchy writing, he can reach audiences that may range in the millions. <span style="font-size:78%;"><span style="font-style: italic;">(links added)</span></span><br /></blockquote>Oh God I could only hope...<br /><br />I've been getting so tired of those musty radical bookstores anyway. And <a href="http://www.masslottery.com/games/megamillions.html">millions</a> you say... Sheesh... That'd be nice...<br /><br />Used to be in the old days I'd spend all night spread out at the local <a href="http://www.fedex.com/us/officeprint/main/">Kinkos</a>, pasting together the carefully typed-out articles from my ragged gaggle of scribes. Now it's just Type, Post, and watch the hit-counter spin like it's a slot machine in <a href="http://www.harrahs.com/casino-gambling/slots-finder/slot-finder-home.shtml">Atlantic City</a>. To think I used to spend all my weekends dropping off copies at the local coffeehouses and bookstores...<br /><br />But I digress...<br /><br />In addition to Michael's denouncement of 9/11 skeptics as essentially traitors scheming to bare America's belly to the inevitable Scimitar of theological conquest, he links such scholars with Holocaust Deniers and <a href="http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/">Illuminati</a> fans. He summarily dismisses ALL research, conclusions, and data that would suggest that A) the government's case is fatally flawed, and B) that many <a href="http://wtc7.net/">9/11 skeptics</a> have meticulously researched and vetted data and conclusions. He provides links to sites that support his claims, like <a href="http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm">this one</a>, but never gives links to any of the <a href="http://911truth.org/">9/11 Truth</a> web sites that he is supposedly criticizing.<br /><br />Try digging a little deeper, Mike. You obviously don't have any problem with America's actions or agenda in the world so go ahead. It won't put you at risk of "cynicism", right? Watch a couple of <a href="http://beta.blogger.com/video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154">David Ray Griffin</a> <a href="http://beta.blogger.com/video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3538037502590699697">videos </a>and systematically debunk his points. Read Jim Hoffman's analysis on his <a href="http://wtc7.net/">WTC7 site</a>. Show me exactly how their arguments are flawed.<br /><br />I dare you.<br /><br />I don't think you've actually got the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitas">gravitas</a> to try.<br /><br />A genuine <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique">critique</a> of their points might be a bit much to ask.<br /><br />Much easier to simply dismiss something out of hand and trash fellow columnists, no?<br /><br />We shall see I guess...<br /><br />Cross posted at http://SmirkingChimp.com/thread/3624 (but shut down because of verboten topic discussion policies)<br /><br />----<br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-13686390488505786852006-11-17T07:03:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:52:32.538-05:00Carville's an Ass, Rahm's a Donkey<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" ><span>News and Commentary by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Caputo</span></a> of </span><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Positronic</span> Design</a><span>.</span></span><br /><br />A <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fhotlineblog.nationaljournal.com%2Farchives%2F2006%2F11%2Fcarvilles_still.html">very good article appeared</a> on <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/">Raw Story</a> about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Carville">James Carville's</a> campaign to oust Howard Dean from the DNC Chairmanship, and how that contrasted with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel">Rahm Emmanuel's</a> decision to bury the hatchet WITH <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean">Howard Dean</a> instead of in the middle of his forehead.<br /><br />The article inspired me to leave behind the following comment. More on this subject will be coming soon...<br /><br /><blockquote>It seems to me that the real story here is that Rahm woke up and smelled the <a href="http://www.vtartisancoffee.com/level.itml/icOid/2">Vermont-roasted coffee</a> and realized that to avoid too much discussion of how he and his fellow strategists SCREWED UP virtually all their calls during the campaign, he'd have to make nice and be magnanimous and essentially join the winning team.<br /><br />Emmanuel virulently opposed Dean's <a href="http://www.democrats.org/a/party/a_50_state_strategy/">50-state strategy</a> and systematically picked LOSERS like the combat-disabled-yet-still-pro-war <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth">Tammy Duckworth</a> (who's mixed messages on the war earned her only an ultimately-fatal lukewarm response from the voters) instead of <a href="http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061112/COLUMNISTS12/611120536">genuine progressive candidates</a> with legitimate grassroots (and netroots) support.<br /><br />Time after time, pro-war, republican-lite, socially conservative candidates were showered with money and support, many times only to fail miserably in the Democratic primaries. Undaunted by this rebuff of their preference, Rham then (often with Dean's capitulation, sadly) totally froze out the victorious grassroots candidates. Despite this, many of these candidates <a href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/08/MNG9LM8JDV4.DTL">actually won</a>, while Rham-supported conservative primary victors were almost universally swept in district after district.<br /><br />Dean's strategy is an excellent start, and the perfect example of party-building strategies that have a long-term likelihood of success. Progressive activists need to continiously pressure the Democratic party to get it's collective heads out of their Carville-minded posteriors. Such behavior only keeps them from being able to see what's really going on, plus it make their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shithead">hair smell terrible</a>... </blockquote><br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-18941125462688224042006-11-17T02:38:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:53:25.238-05:00Only an overwhelming tide...<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" ><span>News and Commentary by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Caputo</span></a> of </span><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/"><span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Positronic</span> Design</a><span>.</span></span><br /><br />Despite the recent <a href="http://democrats.com/">Democratic victory</a>, the problems of paperless (i.e. unverifiable) balloting procedures are only growing. Activists should not be lulled into a false sense of security because the "<a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061018-123042-6508r.htm">worst</a>" was avoided this go-around. Such <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">tweakings</span> (<a href="http://blackboxvoting.org/">fraud/theft/vote-switching</a>) are done at the margins, so an overwhelming tide of public sentiment was, in my opinion, just too much of a landslide to overcome. But you can be sure they are <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3506">working on it</a>...<br /><br />I reprint below an <a href="http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20061115101705269">excellent article</a> that I found posted on <a href="http://911truth.org/">911Truth.org</a>.<br /><br />I recommend everyone read it and help publicize its findings. The <a href="http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution.html">democracy</a> you save may be your own.<br /><blockquote><br /><span class="storyDate">Wednesday, November</span><br /><div style="font-weight: bold;" class="storyTitle"><span style="font-size:130%;">Widespread Vote-Switching Detected by EDA Data Analysis</span></div><div class="edComments"><p></p><blockquote><p>The movement to uncover vote fraud may ironically have been dealt a blow in the euphoria following <span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">Democrats’</span> victory last week. We have not heard much at all about voting problems since the election. Yet the problems are still there, as the article below makes clear. </p><p> </p><p>While the Ne<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">ocon E</span>xpress may finally be derailing, we should not let any satisfaction from the coming train wreck slow the momentum for exposing vote fraud and demanding accountable voting systems. That's more important than the results of a single election. </p> <p>We await further information from the <a href="http://electiondefensealliance.org/">Election Defense Alliance</a>, and we<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">’ll</span> post any newsworthy information in this space. </p><br /><div align="right"> — Ed.</div></blockquote><div align="right"> </div></div><br /> <!-- Text to HTML conversion by EVALUATION VERSION of Text Monkey PRO --> <!-- Learn more about Text Monkey at www.textmonkey.com --> <p style="font-weight: bold;">Widespread Vote-Switching Detected by EDA Data Analysis Update from Jonathan Simon, on EDA Data Analysis findings</p> <p>To Everyone Keeping Score At Home--</p> <p>My apologies for being out-of-touch over much of the past two very eventful days. I have been holed-up with Bruce O'Dell<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"> and a</span> few others crunching numbers, lots of numbers, including historical data, pre-el<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">ect</span>ion polling trends, authentic(!) and adjusted official exit polls, independent exit polls and Election Day canvasses, and of course the reported returns. The analysis will go on for quite some time. But I want to give a very brief preliminary impression of what we see so far.</p> <p>It is simply this: there are, venue for venue, plenty of "anomalies" and vote-shifting patterns to go around. So far, once again, the "glitch" pattern and the shift patterns do not appear to be random. Without pursuing a detailed analysis, it would be easy to overlook this while oohing and ahhiin<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">g at th</span>e overall results.</p> <p>The danger here in our view is that E2006, because the Democrats "won," will be spun as a triumph for electoral honesty and security--when in fact it appears that the combination of massive public revulsion and heightened public scrutiny may simply have made this one too high and risky a mountain for the prospective manipulators to climb to the top. There are numerous signs emerging that the climbing party brought its gear and tackled the slopes, reaching a good way up this Everest before meeting the howling winds and bitter cold that kept them from reaching the summit, as they had in prior expeditions up less lofty and forbidding peaks.</p> <p>We will continue assembling the data and analyzing the patterns, reporting our findings along with supporting data as they emerge. For now, those inclined to celebrate the apparently unthwa<span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">rted trium</span>ph of the public will, by all means feel free to go out and paint the town red, or blue. But, although E2006 should certainly confirm for us the value of our work and of the heightened scrutiny our hard labor engendered, it should in no way seduce us into any prolonged sense of satisfaction or, dare I say it, mission accomplished. We have as much work before us as behind us, in fact more. The system is no less vulnerable this week than it was last week, and the numbers we have crunched thus far appear to confirm that vulnerability.</p> <p>We've all made sacrifices and worked very hard. The warm bath beckons and we've surely earned it. But make it a very short one.</p> <p>All the best--<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=451385&mesg_id=451464"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Jonathan Simon</span></a></p></blockquote><p></p><br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-8092709198541101292006-11-15T06:48:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:54:04.448-05:00Renewable Energy Access Newsletter<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-family: verdana; font-size: 85%;"><span>News and Commentary by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David Caputo</a> of </span><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><span>.</span></span><br /><br />I am reproducing one example of the free <span style="font-weight: bold;"><a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/home">Renewable Energy Access</a> Newsletter</span> below because I want to encourage everyone to <a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/subscribe">subscribe</a>. They have a paid daily newsletter, but the twice-weekly one is free, and always worth the read.<br /><br />It's consistently excellent, and collects news about renewable energy better than any other forum I've seen to date. They're high-powered, relevant, and very thorough.<br /><br />Enjoy!<br /><br />================================<br /><br /><h1 style="margin: 0pt 0pt 3px 20px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(231, 152, 49);">The Democrats' Clean-Energy Mandate</h1> <div style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 20px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif bold italic; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> by Ron Pernick, Clean Edge, Inc.</div> <p style="margin: 5px 0pt 0pt 20px; padding: 0pt 10px 20px 0pt; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Now that the mid-term elections are over -- and the votes counted -- the Democrats step into power in both the House and Senate.<br /><a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/reinsider/story?id=46537"><i>...read the complete RE Insider at RenewableEnergyAccess.com</i></a> </p> <h2 style="padding: 3px 0pt 0pt 20px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-image: url(http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/assets/images/newsletter/PixelSlice.jpg); background-repeat: repeat; height: 15px; width: 550px; margin-top: 10px;"> <span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);">RE</span> Q & A WITH SCOTT SKLAR </h2> <h1 style="margin: 0pt 0pt 3px 20px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(231, 152, 49);">Environmental Footprints of Renewable Energy vs. Nuclear</h1> <p style="margin: 5px 0pt 0pt 20px; padding: 0pt 10px 20px 0pt; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">A senior nuclear power exec claimed at a recent seminar that the environmental footprint of a nuclear power station was 100 times smaller than an onshore windfarm. (no sizes given unfortunately). What are the comparable eco-footprints? -- Polly H., London, United Kingdom<br /><a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news?section=qa"> Read Scott's answer to this and other questions.</a> </p> <h2 style="padding: 3px 0pt 0pt 20px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-image: url(http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/assets/images/newsletter/PixelSlice.jpg); background-repeat: repeat; height: 15px; width: 550px; margin-top: 10px;"> <span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);"> RE </span> TOP NEWS </h2> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46494">Solar: California's Rising Star</a><br /> by <i>Claudia Graziano, Special Contributor</i><br />A growing demand for cleaner, cheaper and arguably safer forms of energy is turning what was once considered a cottage industry into big business in California. Landmark legislation to fund the nation's largest solar program goes into effect early next year, bringing with it rebates and financial incentives to spur consumer and commercial use of solar technologies -- and the promise of more jobs and economic growth for the state. Sensing big opportunity, investors are pumping hundreds of millions into solar innovation for Silicon Valley startups. </p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46534">California Debates Ownership of Solar Renewable Energy Certificates</a><br /> by <i>Stephen Lacey, RenewableEnergyAccess.com</i><br />A California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) proposed decision to grant 100% ownership of solar renewable energy certificates (SRECs) to utilities from solar system owners could hamper the California Solar Initiative (CSI) and slow down the state's burgeoning solar market, according to solar advocacy groups.</p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46528">Integrating Wind Energy into the European Power Network</a><br />The European power network was the key topic of conversation last week during the two-day policy conference, Large Scale Integration of Wind Energy. Held in Brussels, more than 250 delegates from the European Union (EU) were in attendance to discuss the need to modernize the grid, increase interconnection between networks and adapt the grid to new technologies such as wind energy.</p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46529">More Bands Cleaning Up Their Act</a><br /> by <i>Stephen Lacey, RenewableEnergyAccess.com</i><br />As concern over energy security and global climate change grows, many musicians around the United States are greening their concerts using renewable energy.</p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46527">Conergy to Set Up Solar HQ in Pennsylvania</a><br />Pennsylvania has landed another international renewable energy-based firm, Germany-based Conergy AG, which plans to introduce 50 engineering, financing and management jobs and up to $100 million in clean energy deals over the next three years. </p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46541">SCHOTT to Build New Solar Receiver Manufacturing Facility in Spain</a><br />SCHOTT will establish a second manufacturing facility for solar receivers, a key component of solar thermal parabolic trough power plants, in Spain's Sevilla region, effectively doubling its current solar receiver production capacity by the beginning of 2008. </p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46551">SDG&E to Buy 120 MW of Solar, Geothermal Energy</a><br />San Diego Gas & Electric (SDG&E) signed two new contracts to procure an additional 120 megawatts (MW) of solar and geothermal power for its customers by 2010. SDG&E, which now has approximately 16 percent of its customers' energy requirements under contract to be delivered by 2010, will be submitting the new contracts for approval to the California Public Utilities Commission this year.</p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46540">PPM's 221 MW Klondike III Wind Project Builds on Success</a><br />Once construction is complete, PPM Energy's Klondike III Wind Project near Wasco, Oregon, is expected to generate 221 megawatts (MW) of electricity. During the ten-month construction period, up to 135 jobs will be created, half of them from the region. The facility is due to be fully commercially operational in 2007.</p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46549">NASDAQ Clean Edge Index for Renewable Energy Investing</a><br />The Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc. and Clean Edge, Inc. announced that First Trust Advisors L.P. has licensed the NASDAQ Clean Edge U.S. Liquid Series Index, for clean-energy investors, in order to launch a new exchange traded fund (ETF). </p> <p style="margin: 0pt 20px 7px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=46550">Ocean Power Technologies Files for IPO in U.S.</a><br />Ocean Power Technologies, Inc. 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TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-73656209852974704102006-11-15T05:19:00.000-05:002006-12-25T14:54:35.213-05:00My letters to CounterPunch re: Alex & 9/11<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" ><span>News and Commentary by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David Caputo</a> of </span><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><span>.</span></span><br /><br />In reference to my first post's mixed-message comment on CounterPunch and 9/11, I thought I'd include the letters I wrote to them on that subject.<br /><br />After reading <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09092006.html">this article by Alex Cockburn</a>,<br /><br />I wrote the following reply:<br /><br />Dear Counterpunch and Alex Cockburn,<br /><br />As a long-time fan and paying subscriber to Counterpunch, I am dismayed by the ad-hominem attack on myself and my friends as "nuts" because we are deeply suspicious of the Bush administration's claims as to the events on 9/11/01.<br /><br />His hyperbolic piece would almost be amusing in its shrillness if it weren't covering such a serious topic.<br /><br />His refutation arguments are very weak, and he tars with guilt by association with unrelated conspiracy controversies anyone who suspects that the "official" 9/11 story is a bunch of baloney.<br /><br />His statement: "One characteristic of the nuts is that they have a devout, albeit preposterous belief in American efficiency, thus many of them start with the racist premise that “Arabs in caves” weren’t capable of the mission." completely misses the point and uses the vague "many" to call most of us "racist" because we believe that the 19 names "found" in "Mohammad Atta's" car in the Portland, ME airport (by the ever-reliable FBI) are nothing approaching a definitive list of the operatives involved.<br /><br />He seems overly eager to accept hook, line, and sinker the Bush administration arguments about 9/11 without ever stopping to consider what a preposterous "Conspiracy Theory" the official story is.<br /><br />Really, guys with Cessna and Microsoft Flight Simulator (remember all the talk about that?) training can commandeer a modern jumbo jet and then meander all over the place (seemingly blithely indifferent to the fighter-interceptors they must have expected would be coming) until finally guiding their planes perfectly to their targets using only visual navigation?? Does that sound even plausible? Numerous professional pilots have claimed this is impossible. Does he disagree with all of them? Or are they just "racist" because they don't think "Arabs" could do it? This is not their claim. They claim that NO ONE, of any ethnicity, could pull that off.<br /><br />Many of these guys lived on and received training at US military bases. Has he never heard of patsies? Has he ever heard of "false flag terror operations?" Does he believe that there has never been a false flag operation by the US government? He displays what I consider to be either a staggering naivety or willful ignorance of relevant history.<br /><br />As for Desert One, another of the red herrings he flings on the path in a seemingly desperate attempt to avoid too many of the specific issues of 9/11, Gen. Richard Secord was in charge of theater operations at that time. Alexander may think otherwise, but Reagan and Bush's greatest fear in Fall 1980 was a successful Carter rescue of the hostages, so it's not too outlandish that they or their minions may have sought to covertly thwart the mission, no? In any event, no one I have ever met has even brought the subject up to me, so I'm not sure who he's referring to. It's certainly not a subject of discussion on any 9/11-related web sites I've ever seen.<br /><br />Curiously, he doesn't link in the Oklahoma City bombings into his anti-conspiracy-theorist broadside. Maybe he's seen the local news reports that reported that federal officials had confirmed that they found not one but two "explosive devices" inside the building. Where did these come from? Where did they go? Why did no one mention them after that day? Why was the building summarily destroyed before the evidence could be examined further? Does he accept that Timothy McVeigh did the deed with his Ryder truck fertilizer bomb alone? Has he ever seen the analysis that a truck bomb of that type could NEVER have damaged the building and knocked out the core columns like was observed?<br /><br />His claims that only garden-variety corruption around 9/11 should be pursued leaves me mystified.<br /><br />What of the collapse of WTC-7? Like the official 9/11 Commission report, he makes no mention of it. This is curious, because anyone who seeks to effectively debunk the 9/11 story critics surely must attack this, as this is the most obvious anomaly that day (not being hit by aircraft, still collapses anyway into a nice neat pile on its footprint).<br /><br />Has he ever read David Ray Griffin's analysis of the 9/11 Commission Report? It doesn't seem like it. Has he read the Commission report itself? Does he find it credible? How about the methods used in the investigation, and the budget, and the Executive Director, Philip Zelekow, from the Bush transition team? Is he satisfied with the answers provided? Does he consider the unanswered questions (including those posed by the widows of the dead) petty and irrelevant?<br /><br />And what of interviewing Bush and Cheney together, not under oath, where no video or even note taking was allowed??<br /><br />Isn't this highly irregular? Shouldn't Alex be saying at least that this was inadequate? Doesn't he realize that hundreds of billions of dollars has been dedicated to the "breaking things and hurting people" end of the economy because of the "attacks" of 9/11? Is this just a lucky accident for the Pentagon and CIA and Lockheeds, Halliburtons, and Blackwaters of the world? And what of Larry Silverstein's three billion dollar payday out of the event. I'm surprised that his well traveled nose doesn't smell a rat here.<br /><br />Considering all of this, don't people who are suspicious of the official story of 9/11 but are otherwise progressive political allies of Counterpunch deserve more than his unvarnished contempt and ham-handed ridicule?<br /><br />I'm very disappointed. I will have to think very carefully about renewing my paid Counterpunch subscription.<br /><br />I look forward to your reply.<br /><br />Be well,<br /><br />David Caputo<br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">PositronicDesign</a><br /><br />Home of "<a href="http://positronicdesign.com/baghdad/baghdad1.swf">Bachelors in Baghdad</a>"<br /><br />==========================================================<br /><br />I got no reply to my letter, just <a href="http://counterpunch.org/jw09222006.html">this next article</a> in CounterPunch:<br /><br />==========================================================<br /><br />Which inspired me to write the following:<br /><br /><br />Dear Counterpunch,<br /><br />I'm not sure what your deal is with the 9/11 (lack of) investigation, but I can no longer support with my money people who seem to go out of their way to attack progressives who are suspicious of the official 9/11 story and its direct link to not just one but two wars of conquest the USA has engaged in since then.<br /><br />Do you really think that the 9/11 Commission Report was anything other than a systematic coverup?<br /><br />Alex did not, of course, reprint my letter to him in his column, he chose an outrageous and inarticulate example of the genre, and then smeared the rest of us with it.<br /><br />In addition to being called a racist "nut" because I've done things like read your newsletter for the past several years (which helped my overall distrust of this administration and the permanent government that carries out its policies), I don't appreciate how you give aid and comfort to our mutual enemies by discrediting even their most reasoned and articulate opponents.<br /><br />Most 9/11 official story disbelievers want Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al in PRISON for their 9/11 and subsequent crimes. We know they've killed many more people SINCE that day than ON that day. We are not stupid.<br /><br />Don't you'all want them arrested too? For similar reasons? I just don't get your approach here.<br /><br />I agree with almost all of your points about the evils of US foreign policy and corporate greed, but think that 9/11 is the ultimate argument they have to justify what they are doing as understandable, even necessary, because of the "external" nature of the "attacks" and "threat".<br /><br />Haven't you ever heard of "false flag terror operations"? Do you think that they're always just another "wild conspiracy theory"?<br /><br />Didn't you guys ever hear of the Reichstag fire? Doesn't this situation even remotely resemble that one? Would you have ridiculed the "communists did it" theory debunkers back then too?<br /><br />It would have been no defense for you. You'all would have been rounded up shortly after your political usefulness had expired. After all those debunkers had been rounded up, tortured, and killed.<br /><br />Am I really that far off base here?<br /><br />How can you use such weak arguments to "debunk" the 9/11 skeptics case and think that progressive intellectuals will buy it?<br /><br />Joann Wypijewski's article is so totally lame in this regard that it's almost laughable. And what's with ridiculing activists who say "do the research on the internet" by people who make a living off people who already do just that. Don't you folks realize you're a web site where people do political research too? Huh?<br /><br />How about you guys do a point-by-point study of the 9/11 Commission report and compare your analysis of the document with David Ray Griffin's.<br /><br />Really, I dare you. Now THAT I would be interested in reading.<br /><br />How about a review of Paul Thompson's Complete 9/11 Timeline? Has anyone on staff actually read it? Don't you think it's credible and respectable journalism? Is he a "nut" too?<br /><br />Right now, I'm pretty disgusted. If you guys are so totally bought off or brain dead or full of yourselves up in "Counterpunch Tower" that you can't even consider the 9/11 researchers and activists to be thoughtful concerned citizens and allies worthy of your support, then creeping Fascism has already reached the salon.<br /><br />Until I hear otherwise, I'll put my financial resources elsewhere, and encourage others to do the same.<br /><br />Please cancel my subscription.<br /><br />Thank you,<br /><br />David Caputo<br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">PositronicDesign</a><br /><br />Home of "<a href="http://positronicdesign.com/baghdad/baghdad1.swf">Bachelors in Baghdad</a>"<br /><br />===========================================<br /><br />Anyone out there have any theories as to why CounterPunch is so off the deep end on this one, when they're so good about almost everything else? It's a real mystery to me.<br /><br />- David<br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
TotallyFixed.blogspot.com - www.PositronicDesign.com</div>TotallyFixedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00568855736476924488noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227336185993538530.post-64159791176008181702006-11-13T02:44:00.000-05:002007-03-07T01:05:26.035-05:00Welcome To TotallyFixed.blogspot.com<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" ><span>News and Commentary by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David Caputo</a> of </span><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><span>.</span></span><br /><br />Greetings, and welcome to my new Blog!<br /><br />It's been a long time coming, but I'm finally getting around to publishing my own material again. Not since the semi-famous run of "BushWhacking" in The Weekly News from January 1989 to February 1991 have I regularly offered commentary under my own name. I've been working behind the scenes (kinda) on projects like <a href="http://www.consumersforpeace.org/">ConsumersForPeace.org</a> and <a href="http://www.pvsustain.com/">PVSustain.com</a>, but now, with the <a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/2006/11/ap_webb_wins_in_virginia_givin.html">recent Democratic takeover</a> of the House and Senate, I feel a new sense of urgency to offer my perspective on creative solutions to the many extremely serious challenges we face as a nation and as a planet and ecosystem.<br /><br />To start with, I'll make a list of some of my favorite political web sites and link to some of the political projects I've been involved with.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/">AntiWar.com</a> - Justin Raimondo deserves much credit and praise for this excellent resource for news and information about the wars and war politics of the US Empire project.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/">CounterPunch.org</a> - Despite Alex Cockburn's vituperative attacks on 9/11 Truth Activists and Researchers (of which I am one), this site still contains some very insightful writings from some of the most advanced political thinkers around. If only they would wake up about 9/11...<br /><br /><a href="http://waynemadsenreport.com/">Wayne Madsen Report</a> - Top notch investigative journalism. Reports here you won't find elsewhere. Great political analysis.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.wtc7.net/">WTC7.net</a> - My friend Jim Hoffman's groundbreaking 9/11 research site. Why exactly DID WTC Building 7 collapse into a tiny pile of cut up little pieces, completely in its own footprint, in six and a half seconds. This would have been the largest building in the state in 33 of our nation's states. Why has so little attention been paid to this (HUGE) tiny little fact? Hmmm... most curious, neh?<br /><br /><a href="http://911truth.org/">911Truth.org</a> - One of the central repositories of 9/11 investigation materials.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/">LewRockwell.com</a> - Some of the best articles the Libertarian perspective has to offer. Always something different and idiosyncratic. Good stuff.<br /><br />Here's a good <a href="http://erroneousbusczh.homestead.com/9-11Plot.html">9/11 Truth</a> link list.<br /><br />...more to come, but that's a good start.<br /><br />Now, for some personal additions to the overall debate...<br /><br />Our "<a href="http://positronicdesign.com/moveon/wtcwtf720x486.mov">Bush in 30 Seconds</a>" MoveOn.org contest submission, which was judged too radical for MoveOn to even put before its membership to vote on.<br /><br />The new trailer for America's hottest new "reality" TV show, <a href="http://positronicdesign.com/baghdad/baghdad1.swf">Bachelors in Baghdad</a>.<br /><br />And of course our long-time hit on <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/">LiveJournal</a> - <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/daysleft.html">The Bush Countdown Timer</a>.<br /><p align="center"><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/"><br /><img src="http://www.positronicdesign.net/daysleft.php" alt="Days until Bush leaves office." border="0" /></a><br /><br /><small>Designed by <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/georgedorn">georgedorn</a> and provided by <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a>.<br /><br />Grab your own copy <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/daysleft.html">here</a>.</small></p><p></p><br />I've also been on the radio recently on <a href="http://valleyfreeradio.org/">Valley Free Radio</a> <span style="">(WXOJ 103.3 FM) </span>talking about 9/11 and the evidence of insider (i.e. Government Employee or Contractor) involvement in the planning and execution of those crimes. <a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/positronic_worldview2006.mp3">Click here to hear the first show</a>. (approx 15 min)<br /><br />I'm interested in people's comments and thoughts on my writings and remarks.<br /><br />Here goes...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/email.php">David Caputo</a><br />President<br /><a href="http://www.positronicdesign.com/">Positronic Design</a><br /><br />Publishers of <a href="http://www.hidden-hills.com/">Hidden-Hills.com</a> and the<br />Hidden Hills Map of Western Massachusetts<br /><p><a href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http://totallyfixed.blogspot.com">Add to Technorati Favorites</a></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">All original material is copyright 2006 - David Caputo
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